NASL clarifies Scorpions situation, state goal of reaching 20 teams

Bill Peterson talking NASL

by DAVE MARTINEZ

The San Antonio Spurs are the new operators of Toyota Field and a new USL club.

Toyota Field, of course, is the former home of the NASL’s San Antonio Scorpions.

Where does that leave the Scorpions and NASL?

That situation was addressed Tuesday afternoon in a press release from the NASL offices:

[colored_box color=”blue”]San Antonio Scorpions owner Gordon Hartman informed the NASL that his business transaction with the City of San Antonio, Bexar County, and Spurs Sports and Entertainment has resulted in the sale of Toyota Field and S.T.A.R. Soccer Complex. The NASL is working with Hartman to determine the future of the San Antonio Scorpions. 
  
We are proud that the NASL has been able to make a significant contribution to the special needs community and the league is grateful to the fans of San Antonio for their support.
 
Every sports league in North America has experienced turnover in its early stages and the NASL is fortunate to have a group of owners and league officials that has a tremendous understanding of how to work through change. Ownership and investment interest is at an all-time high, and we expect to be a 20-team league in the near future.[/colored_box]
  • Larry’s A Simpleton

    Fold the NASL!

  • Arsenal 10023

    Another kick in the balls for the NASL. Ouch.

    Atlanta Silverbacks are next….

  • Anonymous

    Need I remind everyone of the Miami Fusion, Tampa Bay Mutiny, San Jose Clash…
    3 of the first 10 MLS teams FOLDED

    • THE DON

      DON’T YOU EVER TRYTO USE FACTS WHEN DISCUSSING MLS.

      I AM DON MOTHER PHUKKING GARBER AND YOU WILL DO AS I SAY OR I WILL SENTENCE YOU TO DEATH BY UNGA BUNGA!

    • Eric B

      Well, let me inform you of how your facts are wrong. San Jose moved to Houston, they did not fold. Also, Miami was added in 1998 as an expansion team, so they were not one of the original 10 teams. Congrats on getting Tampa Bay correct though, very impressive.

  • Nycsportspunk

    At least when a team folds the leagues doesn’t have to overpay the owner operator & then fold it. Chivas Justsaying !

    • David

      But… Mls made a profit on the sale.of Chivas usa…

  • This is fine. Lots of new investment coming in. Miami FC will be a big club.

    • Engish football players suck

      NASL is a disaster losing teams (Atlanta done soon,Minnesota moving to MLS and any other franchise that is growing will eventually end up in MLS) involved with shady investors (Traffic, Hartford, etc), no TV deals, no stadiums, low attendance, minor league status, The top team the cosmos cant draw more than 3K per game.

      This is a disaster!!!

      • EPL fan

        Thank you for input, Commissioner Garbet.

        • Engish football players suck

          Is any of it false?

          • EPL fan

            Well, yes. They had no deal with the Hartford guy. They backed out after doing due diligence, but don’t let that ruin your MLS based narrative.

            Cosmos also draw more than you allege and other teams drew even better.

            Also attendance went up from the prior year.

            Yes. It’s 2nd division, but MLS is only marginally bettet and the gap between the NASL and MLS is not nearly as wise as the chasms between MLS and even a middling euro league.

            I have no horse in the race. I go see the Red Bulls and the cosmor and even the rough riders. I just get irritated when people talk about mls like it’s actually a decent league because, frankly. After 20 years it is still ****.

            • DivintyHope

              Virgina Calvary, OKC first expansion, Traffic…..ect, now great examples of the league that claim to be competing with MLS. And no, the Cosmos attendence is poor & so was many other teams in the NASL. Also the gap is very wide between NASL and MLS. NASL teams can not even beat USL teams. And has a 8-3-1 record against the USL, overall.

          • Yes, almost all of it is false actually. NASL has a tv deal. Some NASL teams have their own stadium. NASL is not involved with shady investors, as they eliminate them from the league upon finding out (Hartford not in the league, new Carolina owner replaced Traffic)… indeed, MLS is very fortunate that Chuck Blazer’s involvement with the inception of the league is too long ago to be criminally prosecuted. Finally, as to low attendance, attendance league wide was up this year. Cosmos aside, given league is deemed to be second division by the USSF, it’s doing not too badly. As to minor league status, well as you saw a few months ago, NASL’s lawyer, Jerffrey Kessler fired the first shot across the bough. Even that is getting interesting.

            So yeah English, just about every single thing you said is false. But don’t let that stop you from polluting Dave’s website.

            • EPL fan

              Leo – don’t let Don Garber posting under names get to you.

            • DivintyHope

              No false. NASL has no TV deal. One world sport, which Seamus O’Brien(one of the Cosmos owners) is CEO of, does not even pay for NASL rights. Their ESPN3 deal, also sees the NASL collect no revenue. Hartford while not a NASL team, is an example of NASL poor judgment. Just like the teams that were announced, Virgina and OKC, that have yet to play in he league. And if you want to talk about Chuck Blazer who was an adviser with no official position at MLSHQ,its only fair to talk about Davidson, a man who was commissioner. And at no time did MLS have any knowledge of what Chuck was up to, look how long it took the FBI. But I forgot MLS got juice & is behind the DOJ, right? NASL Attendence league wide is up, just like USL attendence. It have nothing to do with the NASL, but the growth us soccer and the ground work MLS has down. Yet many NASL, teams as said before, had very poor attendence numbers. The Cosmos, being one of those teams, cant even sell out a college lacrosse stadium & struggle to get 5k to show up. Kessler is another example of NASL poor choices. USSF can argue nothing is stoping them from leaving USSF & becoming the ASL. Also, I thought NASL goal is to compete on the field, I guess that a** kicking the USL gave it change their mind, right? And, no every thing English said was correct.

              • 1. NASL has a television contract. That Seamus O’Brien owns OWS doesn’t make it not so.

                2. Hartford has been rejected. The obsession of the MLS kool aid drinkers with the leaked local television story that some local folks were interested in an NASL team speaks of desperation, though why you’re all so desperate I don’t understand, since you think MLS is the greatest league a soccer fan can wish for.

                3. Your friend brought up Davidson, so I brought up Blazer. You think MLS has got juice with the FBI? You’re another one of those nuts on twitter. At any rate, if you think that the reason that the DOJ only now is making arrests because it’s only now that FIFA has been corrupt, I have a bridge to sell you.

                4. Isn’t it great that USL and NASL attendance is up? Why would you turn that into a bad thing? Oh yeah, because you hate soccer and love MLS.

                5. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about on the anti-trust matter. The USSF by national legislation and by FIFA regs is the sole governing body of soccer in this country. That becomes an anti-trust problem when the USSF protects the interest of one business over another by claiming that allowing any other league or team, regardless of merit, to become Div 1 would amount to an expropriation of assets. USSF exists to promote soccer in this country, not to protect MLS investors.

                6. Yeah, well the 4 year old 2nd division NASL’s record against 20 year old MLS in open cup matches is 14 wins and 16 losses. Proud of that?

                But it always amazes me. Why are you so against NASL? Why do you care so much? Isn’t a successful second division a good thing? Isn’t a diversity of structures and ownership good things? I don’t like MLS’s single entity structure, so I don’t bother with it. But I don’t spend my christmas week evenings on EoS’s MLS comments sections trying to make you feel bad about the absurdity and obvious conflict of interest of the MLS structure, I’d rather just talk about My team and the league it plays in. Why are you obsessed with the Cosmos?

                • MTF

                  I wish the Cosmos well. I’d love to see them draw and I’d love to see them get their own stadium. What I think gets us NYRB supporters is the amount of bluster and blarney that comes out of Cosmos supporters. Cosmos 2.0 are not the same team from 1970-1985…they are a reincarnation using a purchased legal property. They are not a super club. Anyone around the world who remembers them is over age 45 and arguably more people today around the world know LA Galaxy than the new Cosmos. Their attendance is nothing to rave about. They did spank NYRB at Hofstra in 2014, but in all truth NYRB was without six starters and didn’t take the game seriously. They got payback in 2015 and utterly dominated the Cosmos. Beating NYCFC in extra time, well, enough said. They are not getting the Belmont bid and not building a $400 million, 25,000 seat stadium on state land. The politicos will not take a chance like that, privately finance or not, for a team that (if not minor league in its supporters’ minds) is minor league in attendance. The Cosmos should move to Brooklyn, build a 12,000 seater, build a fan base, build their academy, and pray the NASL makes it. Otherwise they are USL bound or the Harlem Globetrotters of world soccer.

                  • Look MTF, I don’t spend time on RB comment sections and message boards, so I don’t know what Cosmos fans say or don’t say over there. But I do know that most times there is an article about the Cosmos and MLS, a bunch of Red Bull dorks and a couple NYCFC plasticos come on here and start epic bull **** sessions driving up the comments count.

                    For me personally, I left the Metrostars when they were bought by Red Bull. I make no judgments about anyone else and who they want to support. But for me personally, supporting a team that is in itself a branding mechanism for a “lifestyle” soda was one step too far for me in the commercialization of sports. It’s just too fucking stupid for me. So I left and waited and hoped for something better than that. But that’s me. Yeah, in the first year or two sure I was pissed and gave people **** for it, but I’m over that. But now that I have a kid who sometimes comes to games with me, I know for sure I made the right choice. I just don’t want my kid in such a corporatized environment.

                    Moving on, first we also didn’t have our best players playing in the first Red Bull match, and we sat our best players in the second match. This year I think Red Bull are a better team than us, but not that much. We also lost to the Union in overtime in Philadelphia when even the local reporters said we were robbed. So I feel good with where we are at. I think we would make the playoffs easily in MLS, though I wouldn’t say we’re the best.

                    As to Belmont, I just got an update today. It looks very good, but again, it’s been so long I’m not going to get to bullish on it. You really don’t understand the NY political scene if you think that elected officials are paying attention to which league we play in. You also don’t understand real estate development and stadium economics. No one, and I mean no one makes money on soccer. It’s all the other stuff. You think the stadium will host 16 Cosmos games a year and be dormant the rest of the year??? Uhmmm no. That stadium is going to be used 50 or 60 nights a year, and maybe even some daytime convention stuff. The Cosmos are frankly a small part of that big picture. That’s the one beauty of your Red Bulls, they don’t need to use the stadium for other purposes because they believe the benefits to the brand by naming the team and Stadium red bull justifies losses they take.

                    • “Cosmos and NASL” not Cosmos and MLS. sorry.

                    • DivintyHope

                      Yes I think NY officials care very much, that the Cosmos play in the second division and struggle to draw 5K.

                    • DivintyHope

                      The Cosmos make the playoffs? They play in a league that is the thrid best in the country. hahahahahahaha

                • Eric B

                  6. Actually 12 wins and 17 losses.

                  • 12 wins and 15 losses.

                    • Eric B

                      Since we agree on wins…5 losses in 2012, 4 in 2013, 6 in 2014, and 2 in 2015. That’s 17. A win percentage of 41% is not altogether unsurprising against the higher division, probably about par for the course given how seriously some MLS teams take the USOC.

                  • They don’t Divinity, I speak to the elected officials you speak of personally. So on this, you are out of your depth. And the list of public support they have is pretty much comprehensive from Queens and Nassau. The only question is whether the Governor puts pen to paper on this. I suggest you look up Sen. Martins, County Exec. Mangano, Congresswoman Grace Meng and many more.

                    In the end, they still might not get it. Who knows.

                    Divinity, why don’t you go and spend your time talking about your own soda branded team that hasn’t won anything in 20 years. Again, why are you obsessed with the Cosmos and NASL?

                • DivintyHope

                  1. NASL has a television contract,which provides no TV revenue. No TV revenue means no money for clubs. And yes, the fact Seamus is CEO of one World Sports matters.
                  2. And no Hartford was not rejected. It was set to be announced, untill ownerhip problems started to emerge. And no, the story was not leaked by “obsess MLS kool aid drinkers”, it was leaked by people who cover the league & who well informed about the situation, who leaked the story.
                  3. From Davidson to Traffic, the common theme is, the NASL is surrounded by bad characters. Also the nuts on twitter you are refering to, are NASL/Pro Rel fanboys.These nuts believe MLS is behing the DOJ investigation,in order to bring Traffic/NASL down. They believe the MLS, have enough power to influence the DOJ. The fact you seem to agree with this ridiculous conspiracy theory, tells me you are one of these NASL/Pro Rel twitter nuts
                  4. You made it seem the NASL, is the reason for some teams(many who are poor, like the Cosmos) Attendence growth. The truth is, without MLS struggles, this will not be true. MLS is why NASL has a blue print for success. Yet because the league is a circus, it makes any type of success impossible.
                  5. The USSF being the sole governing body of soccer in this country, did not stop the ASL from forming. Any Anti-trust claim goes out the window, in a world THE ASL exist. USSF does not stop NASL from competing. If they feel like USSF is holding them back, then they can become another ASL. And BTW, lets forget the fact the NASL does not even meet division 2 standards for the moment. The USSF does not stop the league from getting Sponsorships, TV deals nor does it stop ownership from spending more money(dont NASL like to brag that it has no salary cap?). And the USSF, is the governing body, which means they can hand out D1 to any league they like. This is not a court issue & will ony speed up NASL collaspe. This is a FIFA issue, but trust me, FIFA would only laugh in the face of NASL.
                  6. Also any argument of age of leagues, gets thrown out the window, when NASL brags it has no salary cap. And the fact MLS play their second teams, US Open cup results do not matter. But lower division US Open cup results do. Why? Because both the USL & NASL only path to the CCL, is the Open Cup. Yet the USL is 8-3-1 against the so called “second division league”, NASL. Also, by no means is pointing out facts, mean I’m against the NASL. I’m against the NASL idiotic goal of competing with MLS. Also, if the model of NASL is so good, than ownership groups would not be pulling out. MLS single Entity, is why the league has grown. It matters little if you like it or not. I dont like the NBA soft cap model either, yet I love the NBA. And nor can I deny, that the NBA soft cap, has been a huge success. I just like facts & the fact is, NASL is a cancer to US Soccer. The Donald Trump, of soccer leagues. I enjoy the truth & hate propaganda. NASL propaganda and NASL fan boys like you, should be attack with truth. And that is what I have done. Not write a post of hate, but speak truth, past the Fan Boy love of a league. You see if you onloy cared about the Cosmos, you wouldnt be on an article about the SA Scorpions, so please, enough with the hypocrisy.

                  • 1. You admit you were wrong. Thank you, that’s big of you.
                    2. As I said, Hartford was rejected. You’re saying what I’m saying, you just don’t want to call it what it is.
                    3. Davidson IS Traffic. “From Davidson to Traffic”, you’re showing your blind hatred now, multiplying the corruption by two when we both know it’s the same entity.
                    As to MLS controlling the DOJ, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. The fact that you seemed in your first post to endorse that view is beyond bizarre. Let me explain something to you. The DOJ neither has unlimited resources nor supernatural antennae to detect corruption wherever it happens. We are seeing arrests now because this Attorney General happened to be interested in this case when she was US attorney for the Eastern District of NY. Blatter hasn’t been arrested, that must mean he’s never been corrupt, right?
                    4. So if the NASL attendance goes up, it’s because of MLS. And where it’s not good, it’s because of NASL. OK then. The reason why soccer is so popular in this country is 1. youth soccer, 2. mens and womens world cup, 3. the premier league, 4. Liga MX, and then I’d start looking at domestic leagues. MLS has hardly grasped the public imagination to such a degree that they are driving attendance in Jacksonville and Indy.

                    5. Have you read Frasier v. MLS. I suggest you do. I will leave it there.

                    6. I’m looking for the press releases where the NASL “brags” about no salary cap. I believe in salary caps. The lack of any financial discipline is ruining soccer in Europe (Leicester City notwithstanding).

                    Look everyone reading your post can see you are consumed with hatred. It’s not a mere “fact” that NASL is a “cancer”, you are saying things showing how much you hate NASL. So much so that you are here making things up, only to have to admit you were wrong because you’re so blinded by hate. If the NASL sucks so bad, how can we possibly be powerful enough to be a “cancer”? I don’t get that argument. The NASL has a different model from MLS. If it fails, MLS will be the stronger for it. If it succeeds, then lucky us, the soccer public, we will have lots of teams and lots of choices.

                    As for your disdain for Donald Trump, on that we wholeheartedly agree, but isn’t it your league that has the actual largest disparity between highest and lowest paid players in the world? Isn’t it MLS paying Pirlo and Lampard, what… $7 million per year while the team starts a left fullback at $50,000 per year in NYC?

                    If the NASL is a threat to MLS (and if you think that, you have more confidence than me) then it’s probably a good thing to force MLS into some healthy competition.

                    • DivintyHope

                      1. I never admitted I was were wrong. One world sports is not a TV deal. A TV deal, is when a league is able to collect revenue from such an agreement. Sorry, but NASL does not.
                      2. You can keep saying Hartford was rejected. It does not make it true. Hartford was except by the board, untill ownership troubles came to the survice. Which forced the NASL board, to put an halt to the agreement.
                      3. Davidson was the commissioner, traffic Sports is a marketing company. The two are not one in the same. Both different entities.
                      The MLS controlling the DOJ, was hinted by you and many other NASL/Pro Rel twitter nuts. So if the stupidest thing I have ever heard, you shouldnt have said this”At any rate, if you think that the reason that the DOJ only now is making arrests because it’s only now that FIFA has been corrupt, I have a bridge to sell you”. Also the DOJ investigation has little to do with Lynch being interested in the case & more to do with these crimes were agreed and prepared in the U.S., and payments were carried out via U.S. banks. Also the DOJ a number of resources available, to conduct investogations. I do agree that the DOJ doesnt have a supernatural antennae to detect corruption wherever it happens. That is why Investigations take years. After saying all of that, interest does not dictate DOJ investigations, evidence of criminality does.
                      4. NASL attendence increase, is because of the ground work done by MLS. And yes, NASL chosing bad markets/teams, has an affect on attendence. Hence the Cosmos poor attendence situation. No one cares about the team and it is surrounded by 2 MLS teams, in an already crowded sports market. NASL focus should be on markets that work, where MLS would have no interest & stop this competition with MLS, moving into in big markets. Soccer being popular, doesnt mean teams will attract fans to their games. Which why I never said MLS was responsible for soccer being popular. What I did say, was MLS laid the ground work, from which NASL & USL has followed to grow their attendence numbers(in most stadiums). MLS was figured out how to market their product to grow stadium attendence numbers. NASL and USL, have learn from the MLS blue print, which is why both leagues saw record numbers this year(again not all teams). Also the idea MLS has hardly grasped the public imagination, falls on its face, when you examine the numbers. For example, Decision Day, which scheduled all clubs to participate in action at the time,with live lookins and a relationship with Twitter and Snapchat. Saw total viewership reach over 1.15 million, with 94 million impressions of #DecisionDay on Twitter and 52 million views on Snapchat. Oviously MLS can grasped the public imagination, if it can do that. And while Jacksonville and Indy are nice, you still have the Cosmos, a club with history, darw less than 5k a game. While NYCFC, was drawing 29k, almost 30k a game.
                      5. Frasier v. MLS has nothing to do with anything, MLS won. I will leave it there.
                      6. You dont need a Press release, its come out of O’Briens mouth,as well as Riccardo Silva Mouth. But if you need some video, its even come out of Bill Petersons mouth, plenty of times on Soccer Mourning.
                      7.Everyone reading my post can see no hatred, but only facts. Instead of NASL focusing on MLS and getting D1 santioning, how about focus on improving the product, forcing teams to have academies & moving into better markets? The sad fact is,NASL cancerous behavior, does more bad than good for American soccer. Competing in USL/MLS markets, only kills more clubs. How about moving into markets, that MLS/USL has no interest in, yet still contains a huge soccer demographic. Having Multpile teams in the same market, is not good. Getting in bed with terrible owners & sponsors with terrible histories, are not good. What I speak is not ahte, but facts. NASL is a cancer to American Soccer.
                      Donald Trump is all mouth, with no substance. Hence the comparison. NASL can say it has no salary(which means it can out spend MLS), it can say they have the best model, it can alot of things, in the end its all mouth with little substance.

          • Clebo99

            I think that you also need to remember that without Lamar Hunt the MLs would have been folded in the early 2000s. That is the one thing that NASL is missing. An investor that can lose millions and support many teams. Traffic is no Hunt.

            • Since 1996

              MLS fans seem to have short memories. If it weren’t for Hunt and Uncle Phil, the league would have been done in 2002. These nouveau hipster jackass fans have no idea.

      • Anonymous

        I enjoyed many empty seat days at giants stadium watching the red bulls eh, I mean metro stars……

        • The realist

          The majority of folks posting here don’t go back far enough to recall mid week games at Giants Stadium Afghanistan Colorado in front of small crowds in the huge stadium.

          • Yeah, I think a lot of the people who say NASL is a disaster with attendance and the like are either too young to remember the early MLS days or just new to soccer. As a Metrostars season ticket holder from 1998 to 2004 there were some nights where I was pretty much basically alone in a 75,000 seat stadium. It was bleak.

            So I think NASL is holding its own. And yes, there is some flux which is part of the growing pains, but in truth besides there being some flops in MLS too, there’s plenty of movement in NHL and NBA as well. It’s not great but not the end of the world. And at bottom, if investors are willing to put their money into the league, ie skin in the game, that speaks many more volumes than the MLS trolls writing from their parents’ basements.

            • DivintyHope

              Except investors, once they get to know the league, start pulling out. While in MLS old days, it was the uncertainty of soccer growth,which made losing money without light at the end of the tunnel, a tough sell. This uncertainty, made investors leave MLS. This isnt true today, the NASL model is why investors start pulling out. NASL is in or near the Golden Age of soccer in this country. It has all the benefits of those early MLS struggles, to help it grow. But the league is run like a circus, not a pro league.

            • DivintyHope

              Rayo OKC being the biggest joke. A team in he bottom of La liga, who has their own financial troubles back in Spain, is not an investor the NASL should be looking for.

              • EPL fan

                The league that brings you weighted allocation reentry TAM dispersal contraction super drafts really shouldn’t call any other league crap.

                The question isn’t whether NASL should have 1st division status but why the US has two leagues of 2nd division quality and no league of 1st division quality.

                • Oh my god, EPL fan you are fucking brilliant. It’s truly amazing, I like my team the Cosmos, I love them in fact. But I have no delusions about what they are not. Most MLS teams and the top 3 or 4 NASL teams are I would say League 1 quality. In 20 years MLS hasn’t produced a more successful player than Clint Dempsey and Michael Bradley. Solid players for sure but hardly world class. Why aren’t we all talking about that, fans of NASL teams and MLS franchises, instead of MLS franchise fans constantly tearing down a league offering a different model?

                  • DivintyHope

                    MLS is league 1 quality? Chelsea couldnt even beat NYRB USL squad. While New Castle lost to Portland 2. LOL

                    • God these people are out of their minds. “Chelsea couldn’t even beat NYRB USL squad”. No, you’re right, with its median — not average, median — payroll on par with League 1 teams, it’s the longer history of MLS, America’s unrelenting well of talent, and brilliant managerial tacticians that make League 1 payrolls into Chelsea and Newcastle beaters.

                      This is why the world laughs at us. Talk about Donald Trump, you’re MLS’s very own Donald Trump bloviator.

                • DivintyHope

                  The league that brings you trades for Hotel and Travel compensation. And since MLS has a soft cap, they would have mechanisms that allow teams to spend above the cap, TAM is one of those mechanisms. And yes, a league that doesnt even meet D2 standards, who struggles against so called” division 3 teams”, leaves a big question as to why they are demaning D1 sanctioning.

            • Larry’s A Simpleton

              and 20 years later youre still all alone out there in shuart stadium leo old boy

              • I don’t choose the things because other people like it Larry, I choose things because I like it. I’m an independent person. I don’t choose my music, my art, my books or my sports based on what people like you think. I choose those things based on what I think and what I like. And that’s worked out pretty well for me, so I’m good.

  • Suffering Quakes Fan

    The Clash didn’t fold they relocated but point taken

  • Anonymous

    Not to worry, they can play their games at East Central High School, as long as they schedule around homecoming.

  • MTF

    There is nothing really positive to spin out of this. A successful NASL team is folding because the ownership sold the stadium and is decamping for the USL; their stated endgame is MLS. Minnesota abandoning the league. Atlanta to face direct competition with an MLS neighbor soon…look how well the Cosmos have fared with their MLS neighbors outdrawing them by multiples of 4x and 5x.

    • DivintyHope

      MTF preach.

    • HydraHamster

      You’re not wrong and then you are also wrong.

      Minnesota United really did not plan to join the MLS until a investor in Minnesota threaten to rival them. They had a choice to either stay in the NASL and potentially lose fans or be safe in MLS. Unfortunately, joining MLS seems like a bad move considering most loyal fans are unhappy with that club no longer being independent and trying to force a stadium into the community. Atlanta, on the other hand, still have a solid fan base that is fighting to keep them going. Only time will tell on that club’s outcome once the MLS Atlanta team start. Finally, we have the New York Cosmos. True they do not draw large crowds and their future goes only as far as the NASL, but there is potential for growth if they leave that area of New York and move to either Brooklyn or New Jersey.

      I’m going to end it off with this: MLS my be in the drivers seat in a monopoly with the USSF, but the NASL is gaining more and more appeal from experienced, rich people that want to start a soccer team with them. The NASL is still young and in the middle of growth pain. Growth pain happens by struggling with club expansion, exciting clubs folding and some management issues. MLS grew out of it’s growing pains in 2010 and they still have major issues that should worry fans for it’s future.

      • DivintyHope

        Minnesota United was making plans for MLS, the minuate they started looking for a stadium. It had nothing to do with competition. Has competition force the Cosmos to move from NASL?no. I will also like you to explain, how joining a league with TV revenue, sponsorship revenue & a growing international presence, is a bad move? And no, Minnesota United fans are not unhappy, in fact they are overjoyed minors. NASL Atlanta, has no loyal fanbase to keep them going. In fact, Atlanta United already has 29k season ticket deposit. When it comes to the Cosmos, not only do they not draw, it is no room for them to grow. No one cares about the Cosmos, which is why NYCFC drew 29k and the Cosmos struggle to get 5k.
        Investors, once they get to know the league, start pulling out. While in MLS old days, it was the uncertainty of soccer growth,which made losing money without light at the end of the tunnel, a tough sell. This uncertainty, made investors leave MLS. This isnt true today, the NASL model is why investors start pulling out. NASL is in or near the Golden Age of soccer in this country. It has all the benefits of those early MLS struggles, to help it grow. But the league is run like a circus, not a pro league.

        • MTF

          The Cosmos miscalculated. They balked at paying the $100 million franchise fee and joining the collective. They didn’t want to share control of their brand (which they grossly overvalue) and don’t want to be beholden to salary cap rules and MLS’ other (admittedly, Byzantine) rules. Their choice, their right. Instead they joined a start-up league (an idea really) with a very low cost barrier to entry, and figured they could use the ~$90 million they saved to build a super club. They also have fostered this pipe dream of spending $400 million on a very large stadium, and unfortunately based on their actual attendance, are now hoping ‘if we build it, they will come.’ With all respect to Leo who says he’s in the know, I will post here that he was right and I was wrong if their Belmont bid actually gets selected. The real problem for the Cosmos is MLS didn’t sit still. They went ahead with NYCFC and those 27,000 attending matches in Yankee Stadium represent the fanbase that would’ve been claimed by the Cosmos. It’s going to be really tough now. If the NASL folds what do they do? There won’t be three teams in MLS in the region (maybe if the Cosmos were selling out Hofstra every game Garber would be forced to reconsider). They can’t not play in a league unless they want to be the Harlem Globetrotters. If they get Belmont or land in Brooklyn then they have a chance, otherwise the future looks bleak.

          • I am more bullish on the future, and have no interest personally in my team being in single entity MLS, but much of your analysis is on the money. We did overvalue the the Cosmos brand name, we gave up the fans flocking to NYCFC, and we will have an uphill battle for sure.

            I do think, however, that soccer in the NYC area and in the country is entering a state of flux, and I do think things nation wide may look very different in the next 5 years or so.

            • MTF

              I agree. My wishes for the sport in the NY area for the next five year are the following:
              1. Red Bulls finally win an MLS Cup and begin to draw a legitimate 20,000 per match at RBA (that’s actual butts in the seat). They’ve already got a great stadium, a great training ground, and one of the best academies in the country. I’d like to see it all finally come together.
              2. NYCFC find a site to build a stadium, preferably in Manhattan, the Bronx, or Westchester, and for the rivarly with NYRB to grow into mutual hatred for one another.
              3. The Cosmos locate a site in either Long Island or Brooklyn to build a 12,000 seater (with flexibility to expand) and begin to fill it. Let the rivalries with NYRB and NYCFC fester. Hopefully in 10 or 15 years all three teams will find themselves in a first division together.

  • Anonymous

    NASL not a great league neither is MLS. The US mens team is horrible. It wouldn’t be if pro league wasn’t a farce. We had better US trams without a pro league.

    • Eric B

      “We had better US trams (sic) without a pro league.”

      What? When? We made 0 World Cups between 1950 and 1990, then performed poorly (as expected) in 1990. If you’re referring to 1994, remember our home field advantage. Since then, we’ve had a pro league.

      • Anonymous

        ’94 misl doesnt count

      • We haven’t had a better team since 2002. In all these years I think MLS has produced three or four players better than Harkes and Ramos. That’s not too good.

        • EPL fan

          I’m not sure they’ve ever produced a player than Ramos.

      • Anonymous

        Still a better team WITHOUT a league.
        Homefield in world cup means nothing. Ask Brasil

        • That’s stupid anonymous.

          • Anonymous

            But factual leo

            • Herm Edwards

              Hahahahaha

            • Home field is a huge advantage in the World Cup. It’s dumb to say otherwise.

        • Mrs. Garber

          True dat!!!!

      • Nycsportspunk
  • Anonymous

    Can someone name 1 great player to come out of MLS?? No, Don Garber Beckham played in England first.

    • Johan B

      Freddy Adu……kidding.

    • HydraHamster

      None. I can’t name players like Dempsey, Donovan, Tim Howard nor Yedlin because MLS bought them after they were developed by another source.

  • I think the right time to leave and tuck into a book before bedtime is when some MLS bot claims that Red Bull USL is better than Chelsea, and the Timbers are better than Newcastle. So, good night all!

    • HydraHamster

      Goodnight and don’t let the MLS bots bit.

  • slowleftlobe

    Red Bulls also beat Arsenal. MLS roolz the world.

  • HydraHamster

    Personally, I see this as a good thing. That club wanted to join the MLS from the get go and them leaving will only open up space for another club to take it’s place that want’s to grow with the NASL (like Miami FC and Cosmos). If the Scorpions club owners want to pay over $100,000,000 just to hand it’s club ownership to MLS and be a licensed investor/operator, let them.

  • ted dev

    Leo – I see no problem you left red bulls for your own personal reasoning, but don’t you have a problem with the nasl being still (to this day) controlled by a majority of voting shares by criminally indicted Traffic sports?

    and please don’t try to say the cosmos would “easily” make the MLS playoffs, very few MLS teams with top stars for that level make the playoffs easily, the cosmos players are 40yr olds and old MLS retirees/rejects. The cosmos could only beat Nycfc in a shootout without Villa, that team was in the basement of MLS. The cosmos regular competetion lost 7 straight games to USL teams!

    • MTF

      Watching Raul at Red Bull Arena this summer…well, let’s just say he made Andrea Pirlo look spry. The 2015 Cosmos would not make the playoffs easily, and probably not at all. In the East alone, NYRB, Columbus, Montreal and Toronto were superior teams to the Cosmos. Even Orlando with Kaka and Larin would have opened them up. Cosmos are a very good NASL team and USL team, and would probably sit somewhere around 12-15 overall in MLS.

  • Dr. Freud

    Many MLS fans are obsessed with the Cosmos and the NASL. This is because thy need to assert superiority over someone because they are very aware of their inferiority to other leagues across the world.

    These MLS fans need to accept the league for the mediocre product it is. They should probably also accept their latent sexuality but that’s a whole other story.

    • HydraHamster

      The same way MLS bots are treating the NASL is the same way traditional soccer league fans treat MLS. MLS fans need something to look down on and sadly they picked another American soccer league that is lower division instead of a foreign first division league. That says a lot.

      How I see it, those fans are threaten by the NASL’s goals to rival the MLS for first division.

    • DivintyHope

      NASL is the minors, the Cosmos cant draw 5k. Nothing to obsess over. MLS is neither mediocre or perfect. The level is good, but it is room to grow. Yet, NASL cant even beat USL teams, so please stop. And what are you, the Donald Trump on Empire? What does someone sexuality have to do with anything? People that like to do, what you just did, are the ones who usaully be the ones in the closet. So please stop with the Donald Trump insults.

      • Dr. Freud

        If there is nothing to obsesss over, then why do you obsess over the NASL and comment on it regularly?

        Is it because you have unresolved issues with your parents?

        • DivintyHope

          The site I’m on, the last time I checked, wasnt a NASL site. Again, I like facts, ou have none, so like Trump you insult people, because you have no substance to back up your claims.

          • Dr. FREUD

            I am not insulting you. I am concerned for you. You spend too much time thinking about the Cosmos and it could be b a sign of emotional disconnect, self loathing or latent dark urges. I beg you to seek help.

            • DivintyHope

              Dark urges? hahahahahahaha

      • ty

        You needed to type all that for a veiled insult. LOL. Did the Cosmos loose to an USL team? No ok. USL and NASL are new The MLS is 20 years old and some clubs are older than LIga MX clubs like Tijuana but they’re no where near as talented. Not to mention european clubs draw less than MLS sometimes but Who cares? The US has 300 million plus people yet the MLS can’t attract the ratings of the WNBA. Not to mention they’re clubs in Europe that fold and re-form like Rangers and Bate Borisov. Bate is in CL keep in mind and draw as much as the Colorado Rapids.

        • EPL fan

          Don’t try and make a reasonable argument. These moron NYCFC fans are too excited about Snoop Dogg buying a David Villa tee shirt to focus.

          NYCFC fans are quite possibly the most ignorant fan base in all of pro sports world wide.

          • DivintyHope

            NASL/Pro rel nuts make a reasonable argument? LOL.

            • EPL fan

              Who mentioned pro/rel?

              I realize that reading comprehension is not your strength and that NYCFC fans are generally morons, but please try to follow along.

              • OpenCupFan

                Generally? Really, it is the Christmas season and all but do you have to be so generous?

        • DivintyHope

          What Insults? The Cosmos play in a league that is the third best league the country, that is a fact, not an insult. It matters not if the Cosmos lost to an USL team or not, what does matter, is the other teams did. Which speaks to the quality of NASL. It is a league, that has a long way to go, to reach MLS level. And some way to go, to even reach USL level. USL is not new and NASL new argument goes out the window, when NASL brags it has no salary cap. What is stoping them from buying the top players from MLS then? Or outspending MLS on foriegn talent? Again the new argument is not valid here. When it comes to CCL, MLS clubs are in preseason, Liga MX clubs are not. Which is why CONCACAF by 2017, is changing the CCL format. It was a miracle the Montrel Impact beat Pachuca, being that the Pachuca seris was their first games of the season. The same will be true this year. MLS teams first seasonal action, is CCL. As for MLS ratings. The season ratings were up and are not that far beyound EPL ratings to tell you the truth. While Bundesliga has seen 50k-100k ratings on many games. Soccer ratings in general are poor, compared to the big four sports. And population size has nothing to do with anything, soccer is the fifth most popular sport in this country. And still out draw many leagues, of soccer nations.

          • OpenCupFan

            I didn’t even read this b/c I knew it would be dumb – anyway, mls bots always write the same crap.
            .
            Someone let me know if I’m wrong about this post, thanks.

          • ty

            No, They play in NASL which is D2 not D3 there’s no Pro/Reg as of 2015 so it’s a moot point anyway. The ratings were abysmal to say the least. Both Liga MX and EPL were far ahead to include a team called Bournemouth which outdraws MLS teams apparently. The population size has everything to do with it. The ratings should not be that low.

            • Anonymous

              Fact check:
              AFC Bournemouth average attendance 2015: 11,227
              Lowest MLS average attendance 2015 (Colorado Rapids): 15,657

              • ty

                TV ratings not Attendance.

            • DivintyHope

              No, NASL is 10-3-1 against USL teams. They are not a D2 quality league, losing to so called “D3 teams”. Last year alone, NASL went 0-7 against their USL peers. So yes, the NASL is the thrid best league in this country. You dont need Pro/Reg to tell quality. Liga MX is not far ahead, CA lost to a CSL team. When Liga MX teams face MLS teams in mid season form, than maybe I’ll agree. When it comes to low TV ratings, the Bundesliga is struggle to get 100k, thats low.

  • Luke

    to put this in perspective — San Antonio had a league bottom team this year but still had thousands more fans show up per game than the Cosmos.

    Big loss to nasl, Atlanta and Minnesota next…

  • Mrs. Garber

    Amazing…someone mentions NASL or the Cosmos and everyone comments. There is actual interest in soccer.
    Mention the mls….it’s a snoozer. Check out the home page and # of comments on each topic….Got that Commissioner Garber?

    • DivintyHope

      Interest? You check Cosmos attendence latley?

      • slowleftlobe

        Sounds like you have . . .

  • Anonymous

    Love how MLS fans are so bi-polar! they blast the NASL and their teams, (especially the Cosmos). But the welcome with open arms (and even root for them) any NASL teams who gets poached by MLS!! lol! Make up your minds MLS fan!!! And I don’t want to hear it,, i know plenty of REDBULLS and NYCfc fans who would trade in their red and blue Jerseys for a green one!!! lol! if the NASL Champion,,, That’s right, like it or not,, Champions!! N.Y. Cosmos were to join MLS. after all,, New Yorkers love a winner!! no matter what division they play in !!!!

    • MLS folks really just totally lose all site of reason over NASL and the Cosmos. It’s weird, and yes Dr. Freud, I do think it’s pathological with people like DivinityHope. They will say and do anything to make the Cosmos look bad. I just want to follow my team.

      • OpenCupFan

        Can bots be pathological? Would mess help a bot? I’m not sure

        • DivintyHope

          Aint no bot, like a NASL/Cosmos bot.

  • OpenCupFan

    Here’s a fact – NASL wouldn’t have taken Spurs into the league anyway. Enjoy the reserve league SanAntonio!

    • DivintyHope

      The took Rayo, a team that has financial problems back in Spain.

      • OpenCupFan

        #bushleaguemls is having financial problems right here in the good old US of A.
        .
        But Chattanooga FC is profitable and had better attendance in the NPSL Final than the #bushleaguemls playoffs.

  • OpenCupFan

    Holy #bushleaguemls Batman! Here’s another NASL article about to hit comments!

  • I love this argument especially. USL is better than NASL because the USL teams beat NASL teams this past year in the open cup. NASL teams are not better than MLS teams when NASL teams beat MLS teams in the Open Cup because NASL cares more about the matches. But, Portland and Red Bull “B” are better than Newcastle and Chelsea because the MLS teams beat them in friendlies because, presumably, Premiership teams care just as much as the MLS franchises.

    OK then… Merry Christmas all.

    • DivintyHope

      USL is 10-3-1 against NASL teams. And yes, results against lower divisions clubs in the USOC matters, because that is their only path to CCL. MLS doesnt need to win the USOC, to get CCL berths. Chelsea lost to NYRB 2, wiht one of the goal scorers being 15 years old.

      • Naricisstic Personality Disorder. Dr. Freud, I think I’m on to something!

  • Kevin

    Cosmos obsessed haters how do you know so much about the NASL and the Cosmos for that matter. Lets try some other facts. Minnesota United is jumping ship to the MLS because the owner of the Minnesota Vikings was bringing an MLS team to Minnesota. The United wanted in. I have no problem with that. I understand what the NASL is and I don’t mind it. Not every Cosmos fan in these forums is under the delirious impression that the NASL is equal to the MLS. Though it wasnt until a Cosmos obssesed Hater on this NASL/Cosmos forum brought up the NASL bragging they are number 1. No one did, just you buddy. San Antonio’s stadium was originally built to expand upon almost another 9000 seats. They were always thinking of going to the MLS if given the chance. So two teams are leaving, 3 teams are coming in. Teams will be coming and going. I enjoy the NASL. The Harford team was NEVER organized enough and neither was the original OKC. So of course you cant have that kind of ownership in a league. Like Leo i enjoy the Cosmos. I dont go RB or NYCFC forums to bash your teams and your teams have serious issues as well. But you come on here antagonize, make up facts , or add facts that are strange from non fans, or make up excuses of why your teams might have lost to the Cosmos. And then of course we have the guy who can’t get past last years USL vs NASL records, but of course isn’t admittedly going to bring up the previous years record. According to some of you the Cosmos were supposed to fold at the end of their third year and one genius had us moving to Hartford. But according to the responses on NASL and Cosmos forums we seem to not be going anywhere.

    • Larry a simpleton

      Thank you for calling me a genuis. Most people call me a simpleton or just fat.

      Sniff. Sniff.

      Thank you.

    • DivintyHope

      No one is obsessed with a team, that their own “fans” dont even care about. The Cosmos cant even get 5k to care on a regular basis. And trust me, why would people obsessed over a league that is going nowhere fast?How do I know about the league? Well dont I live in US? dont I have twitter? Also the facts are very important, you are right about that. Minnesota United moving to MLS, had nothing to do with Minnesota Vikings. Why couldnt Minnesota United be the NY Cosmos or Miami FC, teams in current or soon to be MLS cities? The fact is, teams are moving away from NASL, because they know whats coming. So Bill Peterson can talk all the BS rhetoric he wants. Owners like MLS system better, than they do the NASL system, because they know what works in the US. This is why you are seeing owners jump ship. However because you are a bot, you refuse to admitt this to youself. I dont hate the Cosmos, I think they are irrelevant. In fact, I would have become a Cosmos fan, if made the smart move and chosed MLS. However instead, they over valued the Cosmos brand, believing it alone could over throw MLS. The reality is, the Cosmos do have history, but it is not enough to over throw MLS. This is something Americans owners get, that foriegn owners take time to get. So I think, while they will never admitt it, the NY Cosmos owners are finally starting to see why MLS has the system they do. I also will admitt this, I dont want to see the Cosmos fold. I want to see them abandon this us against MLS mentality. Its bad for US soccer. I want clubs with history, to succeed. I dont want soccer wars. I dont want leagues in the same cities, comepting for the same eye balls, I want leagues to work together. This is why, while I dont want to see the Cosmos fold, I do want to the NASL fold. It is Traffic sports creation, that finally needs to die. And yes, many Cosmos(in reality not much lol), believe that the NASL/Cosmos are on par with MLS. They believe MLS model is stupid & NASL is the greatest, forgive me for calling such things BS. The NASL record, speaks to their system/model being flawed. And while you may think San Antonio were always thinking of going to the MLS, this goes aginst what Bill Peterson said. When asked do NASL clubs aspire to make the move to MLS, he replied “No. If you ask me today, I don’t believe there’s an owner at our table that is looking to become an MLS team. I think they’ve looked at the model for whatever reasons – maybe it’s not the right one for them. I think they’re seeing the success they can have in our league with our model in their cities and everybody seems pretty committed to that.” When it comes to teams coming in, what happen to Virggina Cavalry and OKC City FC? Or why does the NASL allow an owner, Rayo, to come into the league that is struggling to pay their bills back home? The Harford papaers were about to be signed & the OKC team was announced as a team. So what are you talking about? It speaks to the circus show of NASL.And BTW, I dont go on NY Cosmos/NASl forums. This isnt a RB or NYCFC forum, this is Empire Of Soccer. Nor have I come here to antagonize, I came here to speak truth.And if you can point to my so called “made up facts”, I will gladly change it. PS THE USL IS 10-3-1 against NASL teams, so…..

      • Dr. FREUD

        You really do need help. I urge you to get it. I fear you secretly hate for father and luster for your mother. Or perhaps the reverse. Unable to deal with either, you focus your anger on the Cosmos. I realize the holidays can be difficult but you need to let go of the anger and seek the help you so desperately need. I urge you to do this before you become a risk to yourself and others.

        • DivintyHope

          Did you read what I wrote? I dont hate the Cosmos. And the only person in need of help, stop replying to me. You are a weirdo.

        • DivintyHope

          Did you read what I wrote? I dont hate the Cosmos. And the only person in need of help, is you. Stop replying to me. You are a weirdo.

          • Dr. FREUD

            You double posted. That is a sign of bi polar disorder. Now that we knowe what the problem is we can help you. This is a good first step. There is nothing wrong with you than psychotherapy and a series of mineral enemas can’t fix.

            • ty

              He’s also asking and answering his own questions in a lot of posts. There’s really no need to even read them. It’s kind of a waste of time.

              • Dr. FREUD

                Which would further indicate bi polar tendencies. In and of itself, that is managable. What concerns me more is the manic tendencies which manifest in longer and angrier posts. He may treatment, starting with nice warm enema, tonight.

                • DivintyHope

                  Hate to break it to you, you aint Dr. Phil. You must be going through some type of sexual identity crisis, because you sure do talk about sexuality alot. Stop with these weird comments. If someone is gay, who cares. I dont judge others. Nor would I make light of someone having bipolar disease, its not really funny. I dont know you and you dont me, thank god. But please continue your insults & I continue to asnwer with substance. Now have a nice Enema, or whait! day.

                  • Dr. FREUD

                    Your trouble with spelling seems to indicate either a learning disability or a desire to hide your true feelings. Clearly, your anti NASL rants are a call for help. You secretly and desperately want to support the NASL and the Cosmos but are afraid of what your friends may think. You are a victim of peer preassure and this is stunting your emotional development. I urge you to get help immediately.

                    • Excellent stuff Dr. FREUD. There’s a reason you are the most famous in your profession.

                    • DivintyHope

                      So a mistake on a site with out an Edit button, means I have a learning disability or a desire to hide my true feelings? Interesting. It seems idiots are new the Orange in America. I mean you know me so well! Lets forget fact that none of my friends like soccer, but clearly you know me. Cleary only someone who suffers from bipolar disease, uses facts to argue a point of few, instead of insults. Who cares about facts right? Who wouldnt want to be at a lacrosse stadium, among the countless of empty seats, on a saturday night. You know me my brother, I am jealous as hell!

  • Kevin

    You’re welcome Larry, Its Christmas

  • Kevin

    Whatever dude, i’m not going to argue with you anymore, its old. Amazingly you still have half your facts wrong.

  • I just want to point out, this article, about the San Antonio Scorpions, has 117 comments. Look around. The Red Bulls just sign three homegrown players, exciting news worth discussing. Are they any good? Do they fill needs? Is this a trend? How many comments? ZERO. Literally ZERO.

    The new MLS schedule is out. Always an exciting moment for soccer fans. Number of comments? 2. And one, by Larry Simpleton, is about… wait for it… her it comes…. The Cosmos!

    The truth is, the Red Bull fans and NYCFC fans, not all but most, don’t know or understand or even care about their own fucking soccer teams. They are utterly ignorant supporters who have some sort of personal self worth invested in the success of MLS and its franchises from a financial point of view. It is simply the weirdest thing in worldwide football. I have yet to see a single person come on a Cosmos or NASL article comments section and talk substantively about a single player. Yet, they have so much to say. PErsonally, I can talk about every player on the first team Cosmos and Cosmos B substantively. Why? Because I’m a fan of my club. Why don’t you franchise fans spend a little time talking amongst yourselves about your own franchises? Is it because they’re not as exciting as the Cosmos, or because you actually have no idea what’s going on with your franchises? Either way, it’s pathetic.

    • DanGerman

      It’s just this website is popular with Cosmos fans. To use this blog as a metric for popularity is probably not a wise thing to do, stick to attendance numbers and local news coverage and you’d have a better idea about were the teams stand in hearts and minds of locals.

    • DivintyHope

      Leo your Peter Griffin looking a**, be on NYCFC articles all the time on this site, stop the BS. People are commenting for 4 reasons: 1. this also has to do with the USL 2.We know how NASL/Cosmos fans will try to down play the significance of another NASL team leaving the league 3. Its fun to tell you we told you so 4. Its fun seeing NASL/Cosmos fans defend the league/ teams at every level, even when the league and many of their teams continue to fail.

    • Eric B

      The new MLS schedule is NOT out. Each team’s home opener was announced. I’ll summarize each fanbase’s comments:
      NYCFC “We play Chicago and then Toronto.”
      NYRB “We play Toronto and then Montreal.”

      So, what else is there to talk about?

      Also, this article was about the Scorpions folding. How is this the proper place to discuss a specific player? The comversation was relevant to the article. Notice how articles specifically discussing NASL players have the same low number of comments as articles discussing MLS players?

      • Yes Eric B, I can see why that wouldn’t be interesting at all. Kind of explains why MLS is so boring, don’t it?

        • Eric B

          No, it’s just hard to talk about upcoming games when teams are still signing players. Can you discuss specific matchups if you don’t know who is on the team?

          Let’s pretend the Cosmos announced the home opener, against hypothetically Jacksonville. What is there to discuss? Jacksonville is turning over their roster, the Cosmos don’t have a complete roster yet…what is there to talk about? Does that make the NASL boring? No. It’s just too early to have an intelligent conversation on this topic. Or whatever passes for conversation on this board.

          • OpenCupFan

            mls is so boring that Cosmos B played in a game w/better than the #bushleaguemls play offs.
            .
            Pretty sad commentary on America’s top bush league.

            • Eric B

              Well since they had higher attendance than the NASL and USL playoffs too, let’s all just agree that the NPSL really is our first division.

              • OpenCupFan

                I’d take that, definitely more interesting than McWendys.
                .
                NPSL needs pro/rel now, maybe #bushleaguemls attendance will improve if they play more “4th division” teams.
                .
                it’s funny when ppl get mad at u for insulting mls, when in all u r doing is stating the obvious #notmyfault no one wants to go watch #bushleaguemls sh!t show

                • Eric B

                  Still higher attendance than NASL though. Any reason you don’t want to address that fact?

                  Also, if 16,000 people is “no one”, then soccer is doing just fine in this country.

                  • OpenCupFan

                    If you really cared about the sport and not just #bushleaguemls than that would be great. Unfortunately you only trumpet that sh!t show, that’s why it’s funny that Cosmos B was involved in a game w/better attendance than the playoffs in that craptastic league of yours. That’s why.
                    .
                    What did you do to Rakim! Free Rakim!

  • HydraHamster

    It fun drinking hot lemon tea while reading comments from psycho MLS fans that have a grudge against the Cosmos in a Scorpion’s article.

    How I see it, until MLS stop expanding, expect teams from the NASL and USL jumping to the MLS. Arguing over what soccer system is better is pointless because none of that matters. MLS will appeal to more investors and fans because they are a first division league in a country with increasing soccer fan bases. People go where the money is instead of building what could be a potential great league if they play their cards right. The NASL is not great, but they are a better league than the USL. Do they have better teams than the USL? No. The fact that the NASL have higher fan support, richer club owners and a better TV deal makes them a better league than the USL who only have a youtube deal and small attendance. The USL think becoming a second division will give them the things the NASL have, but the reason why they don’t have any clubs with high attendance compared to MLS because the ones that do keep expanding into MLS.

    The NASL is not perfect and the same goes for the MLS and USL. Both of those leagues lack in many basic things because of this stupid soccer war of soccer systems and lack of any experienced soccer people leading them. All three of those leagues suck on many level because they lack knowledge to grow soccer nationally. That’s why promotion and relegation won’t work in this country.

    Why do I feel the MLS, NASL and USL suck as United States soccer leagues:

    When you grow a soccer league, your mind set should be on growing the sport nationally. How those leagues also have clubs outside of the country before every state and city have a soccer team in the USA makes no sense. I get American sports do that in basketball, baseball and hockey, However with a large player market soccer has, it would be smart making all of the soccer divisions an all USA state league. Second, all of our players did not come from the MLS, NASL nor USL because they either bought them from college or school (where they already proved they are talented and already developed). The NASL and USL are new, but they do a better job than the MLS on developing players. Many horrible players in MLS got loaned into the USL or NASL and came back a better player. Dom Dwyer is a great example. Third, the MLS runs like the WWE, the NASL is using a stupid failed product in the 80’s for cheap marketing (the hint is in the name) and the USL gave up on becoming a serious professional league with the MLS partnership. The problem the USA have is that we have a lack of professional leagues and the USL decided to used most of those vacant spaces for MLS reserve teams. Why? The MLS have the money to start a proper reserve league instead of using the USL.

    It’s hard taking all of those leagues seriously. As for the fans; I respect the fans that support one league, but also the growth of all the leagues in general for the greater good. Sadly, on here highlight the fans that wishes other American professional leagues would fold. Before anyone say anything, I am one of those fans that feel MLS should fold because they missed the purpose of being a soccer league under FIFA. MLS feel they should be that special little cup cake over the world since they do not agree with the global soccer system nor FIFA. Instead of MLS being a soccer league not affiliated with FIFA, USSF nor CONCACAF since they feel so strongly, they still are apart of FIFA and want players that grew up playing in a system they look down on.

    • DivintyHope

      This is long bag of nothing. And BTW, the USl aint new my brother.

  • ted dev

    MLS is the better system and it should be supported by all US Soccer fans b/c their teams invest in academies and are developing young talent like Dallas and the Red Bulls.

    nasl has done nothing to groom new young talent, and their teams lose to USL squads – not much of a future there.

    • slowleftlobe

      Cosmos are getting academy approved by USSF.

      Anyway they could hardly do worse than MLS.

  • Dr. Freud

    Please be advised that there will be an intervention at Divinity Hope’s mother house tonight at 9pm. His failure to recognize that others are entitled to hold positions different from his own is a clear sign of meglomania and messianic self importance. Please be on time. Seven fishes will be served.

  • Maso

    I have been reading these comments and am a nyrb supporter. That being said, cosmos have a proud history and need a long term plan to survive and prosper. The only way I see that happening is building a stadium on Long Island. That way they have a monopoly in Long Island, build bonds with the schools and develop stronger academys. Yes they have low attendance at Hofstra but their own stadium would perhaps allow alcohol and show their commitment to the area. After a few years in their own stadium in Long Island and good attendance they can make a strong pitch to get into mls. Nasl is a dead end for them. As to tv in the interim perhaps find a way to get onto the fios1 channel?

  • OpenCupFan

    Steals $ from the USNTs, that’s it end of story.
    .
    20 years, zero player development

  • OpenCupFan

    I’m pretty sure DivinityHope is the bot formerly known as “who gives a sh!t” b/c they all say the same dumb dumb stuff.
    .
    Anybody remember the name of that kid sized robot in Buck Rogers? Next time a bot says dumb stuff I want to label him with that robot’s name, but I can’t remember it – was it Tweety? Something like that, I’m sure now. Darn old memory, bots have it easy just talking mls junk, they dont have to remember anything interesting.

    • Buck
      • OpenCupFan

        Thanks Buck! Thanks Internet!
        .
        mls is for losers! Merry Cristmas!

    • DivintyHope

      You should thank Donald Trump. He has made it cool to be an idiot. You can continue with these insults, it only reaffirms my point of substance over ignorance.

      • Larry’s a Simpleton

        I like Trump! He’s my kinda guy! A real New Yorker like us NYCFC supporters!

        He’s like the Sheik! He wants to limit your freedoms & establish law & order!

        And he’s a real New Yorker!

        I’ll bet he’s an NYCFC fan like us!

      • OpenCupFan

        Twiki Twiki Twiki

  • 135 comments! Well done, Red Bull and NYCFC losers!

    • Kevin

      Speaking of who’s who,what happened to slow left arm, since the RBs playoff he’s no where to be found.unless one of u is now him, hmmmm. Favorite post of the 142 here pertaining to NASL soccer and how awful it and the Cosmos are to humanity,is Hamster drinking hot lemon tea.

      • Don Garber Bot

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  • ted dev

    great, nasl fans are happy there are many comments on an article showing the weakness and breakup of their league, and the fact that any good teams will be leaving for MLS or USL, or Atlanta is folding,

    next up, them being happy there are 100 internet comments on an article about how nasl lost 7 games in a row to USL,

    or that the nasl is controlled by criminally indicted traffic sports,

    or that nasl attendance is low around 4000 per game, when the leanest years for early MLS were 14K and up, etc…

    • Dr. FREUD

      You are obsessed with the NASL. This is because you are unemployed, live in your mother’s basement, are unsure of your sexual preference and have no job prospects. You need to pull yourself together and think less about the NASL.

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