#NYCSoccerWarz: The April Campaign

NYCSoccerWarz

by DAN DICKINSON and DAVE MARTINEZ
#NYCSoccerWarz Historians

With the first meeting of RBNY and NYCFC in the books, we’d be remiss if we didn’t look back at the month that was in the NYC Metro area.

(Yes – we’re a little bit late with our monthly scorecard. While some might want to blame it on an MLS payoff to keep the scores from emerging, the reality is much more benign. Never attribute to conspiracy what can be chalked up to a malfunctioning CMS.)

April kicked the #NYCSoccerWarz into full effect with the Cosmos starting their regular season campaign with a strong performance. The Red Bulls continued their streak from the start of the season, although they would start to slow down by the end of the month. And NYCFC faced a rough month on the field, even if they remained positive off it.

#NYCSoccerWarz has garnered not only mainstream attention but the attention of the clubs themselves, with two of the three teams inquiring about how the April scores were panning out. So let’s give the people what they want: the tally for April.

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  • Jameson Pester

    Red Bulls should get at least a point deducted for scheduling a friendly that conflicts with an Open Cup date.

    • William McCrary

      Who cares? The Open Cup is a relic with no real meaning. I’d rather see RBNY win The SS again or The MLS Cup than that meaningless piece of junk.

  • facebook_deepblack67

    but we love conspiracies

  • Niche Chavez

    Mommy!

    Make the bad man stop saying mean things about NYCFC!

    Waaaaaah!
    WaaAaaaah!
    WAAAAAAAHHH!

  • JD

    Why do the cosmos get points for ties but red bulls get none? Also the cosmos should lose 5 points each month for being in the lower division.

    • Anonymous

      No points for home draws. Although I don’t understand why the cosmos got two points for the road draw in Atlanta. EOS, please explain.

      • ayyy lmao

        Could just be the fact that Atlanta was playing bunkerball all game.

    • Lou

      I won’t complain about Cosmos winning, but could you explain the tie points better? I’m unclear, too.

      • Bklyn Royals Fan

        Fair point

    • Hydrahamster

      There is no such thing as lower division level clubs. MLS is a league for the rich and greedy. It’s not like the NYRB and the NYCFC fought to be and stay in MLS while the Cosmos failed. The Cosmos just decided not to right a million dollar check for a monopoly league.

  • Chepe pedos

    Low division or not , all of american soccer is at the same level . NASL , MLS, USL , all . So when people say lower division in this country, it does not exists .. Not until there is relegation and promotion . But all of american soccer players are at the same level . Some good some bad . And just because you pay 100 million to play in a league that guarantees you more popularity , does not make that team better than a USL team . I remember in 2009, two USL teams were in the semi finals of the Concacaf champions league. Not MLS …

    • Anonymous

      Thank you

    • JD

      The difference is in the quality of the players. If you think that the players in the NASL and the USL are as skilled as those in MLS you are kidding yourself, it is that simple. As far as the 08-09 Champions league goes, you can hardly count that as a justification that all leagues are on the same level. Puerto Rico qualified through third place in the Caribbean championship, never playing an MLS team, and Montreal won the Canadian Championship in a time before Canadian involvement in MLS. Further, neither team played an MLS team in the preliminary round. Thus, there is really no ground for comparison.

      • CosmosFan

        I would say that (just to name a few) Raul (Real Madrid), Ayoze (Tenerife), Roversio (Osasuna), and Marcos Senna (Villareal) amongst others don’t agree with your notion that MLS players are superior in skill to their NASL counterparts.

        It’s very naive to think that because MLS teams are sanctioned “D1” that their players are automatically superior to anybody else playing in the same country.

        Overall, yes….you’re probably right. I’m sure there are more “quality” players in MLS right now than NASL, I’d hope so with the nearly two decade head start those teams got with their operations. There are several NASL players that would start for MLS teams.

        Don’t let the difference in stadiums and millions spent on marketing blind you from the actual ability on the field, where it really matters.

        • JD

          “Big” names do not make a league or team a part of the top division. My Red Bulls learned that over and over again. Further, the players you mention would not start on any team in MLS without causing that team’s immediate failure. I do not believe that MLS players are automatically superior to NASL but look at the quality on each team’s roster and judge based on that. I love Mendes but he is not an MLS level starter but is doing well in NASL. This is but one of many comparisons that can be made throughout the league. Sure, some NASL players can play in MLS but it is rare where one could start on an MLS team. Mike Grella, for example, can only start on RBNY because they have no other option and he had to fight for his spot with an MLS journeyman. So in short, no I don’t believe that NASL players are capable of starting in MLS except for in some rare circumstances and that is what makes NASL a lower division.

          • Most people who watch the Cosmos and the New York MLS teams will tell you that the Cosmos are playing easily at MLS level. The Cosmos starting 11 is well ahead of NYCFC, and better than Red Bull as was amply demonstrated last year in the open cup. The Captain of the El Salvador national team can’t even get on the field for the comsos.

            • slowleftarm

              Except most of the 3,800 people watching Hempstead are Cosmos fans and therefore delusional.

          • CosmosFan

            Okay then. So, in your world…..teams are advised to rely on NCAA College Athletes than former La Liga players. Noted.

            • slowleftarm

              So because they have a couple of 40 year old former la liga players, they’re at an MLS level?

    • Rip73

      If the leagues are all equal, how come MLS has won all Open Cup championships but one since the league came into being? And that is with many MLS teams playing back-ups in US Open Cup games. I don’t see how you can support that statement.

      • CosmosFan

        For starters, MLS has 17 entries in the US Open Cup whereas the NASL only has nine entries.

        NASL teams join in the second round while MLS teams join in the third round. There is a pretty large % in favor of an MLS franchise winning the competition before the first ball is even kicked.

        Additionally, it should be noted that some MLS teams have had twenty years to put a squad/culture together and have salaries that far exceed most NASL and USL teams in the competition. NASL started playing what, four years ago? Two of those nine entries have only been around long enough to play in one US Open Cup and one of those nine entries still hasn’t participated in the US Open Cup.

        The day is coming and it’s coming sooner rather than later. I suspect that the NASL will even up the “all-time” head to head numbers vs. MLS opponents in the US Open Cup this season, and I also believe that there are two NASL teams that are capable of winning it this year…assuming they get fair treatment in the later stages.

        • Hydrahamster

          I guess is the Cosmos and Jacksonville Armada are your two.

          • CosmosFan

            Cosmos for sure and I think Minnesota will come out of their funk to make a push. It all depends on the “luck of the draw”.

        • DanGerman

          Thank you for accurately describing the reasons why NASL is inferior to MLS. Once the NASL is in year 20 lets then talk about how they’re equal to MLS until then just enjoy watching your respective leagues. Just because something is minor league doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy it people.

      • Hydrahamster

        Usually, mostly every clubs play in the domestic cup. That is not the case in America.

      • Actually, the win/loss record of MLS v. NASL is very close to .500. Something like 11 wins for NASL, 15 wins for MLS. And if you saw the Philly v. Cosmos match, you would know it should be 12 to 14.

        • slowleftarm

          So even though MLS teams routinely field reserve teams in the Open Cup they still win the majority of the time. How does that help your argument?

          • Tres a Cero!

            • slowleftarm

              I guess if I watched Hempstead Cosmos every week, I’d also hang my hat on a win over RBNY II in a tournament no one cares about. Bradford beat Chelsea in the FA Cup this year – does that mean they’re as good as Chelsea?

              • God you people are stupid. No wonder why you hide behind anonymity. No, Bradford isn’t better than Chelsea, you know how we know that? They’re direct competitors in the football pyramid. WE are not direct competitors except in the US Open Cup, and even though Red Bull put their best team on the field, and we had key injuries, we beat them comprehensively. We are Chelsea to RB’s Bradford.

                • slowleftarm

                  That’s a good one. RBNY put their best team on the field? No Henry, Cahill, Olave, Robles or Dax. Those guys weren’t injured – RBNY just chose not to play them because they don’t care about this competition. In 2012, the head coach didn’t even travel to the team’s game in the open cup. Come on man, and you’re calling us stupid? I actually wish RBNY took the open cup more seriously but you know what? They don’t care.

                  Cosmos’ lineup is filled with MLS rejects – that’s how we know they aren’t as good as any MLS team.

                  • John

                    Get your facts right, Henry was called for international duty and so was Cahill.

                    • Prez

                      And now they’re both retired, big diff. We’re still gonna wipe the floor with your squad.

              • Jin Old-Boy

                That’s the problem with comparing league strengths in the Open Cup. Unlike in other countries, the US Open Cup do not field most of the amateur, misplaced professional and semi-pro leagues teams in the tournament.

    • Josiah

      comedy. pro/rel does not determine the level of divisions, it just determines which teams go up/down through the divisions. keep thinking that USL, NASL and MLS are all on the same level though. that’s hilarious.

      • Hydrahamster

        Actually, your comment is the ignorant one. What did any of those empty expansion teams do to get into MLS? They wrote a check. First division is rewarded to people who pay to get into it, not by how good they are. What makes promotion and relegation so good is that the good clubs go up and the bad goes down. By then, the word ‘division’ will have a meaning. It’s like having a job. The good consistent workers get promoted, the average worker stays and the horrible workers get demoted or fired. People who get promoted by sleeping their way up is always hated and not taken seriously, which makes the business look bad. Instead of sex, it’s money in American sports.

        • JD

          So in hockey, do you not consider the AHL to be a lower division/league – division and league being synonymous in my opinion? In the same way, USL is already a lower division regardless of pro/rel.

          NASL is a lower division for the very reason you mention, they do not spend money on infrastructure, their teams, and stadiums like the teams in the top division do. Even teams like Cosmo, who “spend” on players, are notoriously lacking when it comes to spending on experience. This later expenditure in addition to the former is what makes a league major. Read this author’s comparison of his experience as a member of the media for all three teams and then try to tell me Cosmos deserve to be considered major league.

          • JD
            • The Cosmos are begging the state to let them spend $400 million of their own money for a fully private funded state of the art soccer stadium straddling the Queens/ Nassau border, and are one signature away from breaking ground. Sheik Mansour is going around New york with his hand out trying to find a place to build a stadium on the taxpayer’s dime. So please, who are the “big spenders” here?

              • slowleftarm

                Except they’ve been “one signature away” for two years plus now. It ain’t happening. And why would a minor league team that gets 4k a game need a 25k stadium anyway?

              • Hydrahamster

                MLS fans like to believe the Cosmos was rejected by MLS when in fact, the Cosmos rejected MLS because they wanted to run independently. We have rich clubs in the lower divisions. How do people think Montreal, Seattle Sound, Portland Timbers and Vancouver Whitecaps come from. They were rich before joining MLS and there is many more lower division clubs where that came from. When I said MLS is for the rich, I was saying that MLS club investors uses their money for a monopoly.

          • Hydrahamster

            Read my comment again. You read it wrong.

            Being a first division means you paid to get in. Those clubs come into MLS empty without the players and some of the club managers. It’s just a hollow team that’s going to be filled to MLS players. Also, don’t act like MLS players and clubs have quality. The single entity is there for a monopoly. NASL hve real clubs that run independently. The MLS spend more money on their teams in a bad way. They pay the American players peanuts while spend most of their money on one near retired player. Talk about stupid spending. All that money and still mediocre. The NASL spend less money and is catching up to all of the MLS teams in strength within their fourth season playing. MLS is all rich and little quality for 20 years.

            • Hydrahamster knows the subject he speaks on.

            • slowleftarm

              You think Bradley, Dempsey and Altidore make peanuts?

              • Hydrahamster

                The average American gets paid peanuts. The only time a American player gets paid good is if they are a American National team player returning from Europe. Donovan was paid nicely before he retired, but the weaker near retired foreign players got paid more. In other countries, the highest psid players get paid by how much of a asset you are to the club’s success. Instead in American, it’s about how much of a market value you are before how good you are.

                • JD

                  But the players in the NASL get paid more? That simply isn’t true. So I would rather have my team spending money in the “wrong way” than not at all.

                • William McCrary

                  Dax McCarty makes 250k and he neevr played on USMNT or overseas.

                  • Ulrich

                    Dax actually played 5 times for the USMNT and had stints with the youth teams (U20 & U23)

              • CosmosFan

                Their teammates make peanuts….and that’s why their teams are poor with regards to a normal standard needed to produce outside of their closed league.

                • slowleftarm

                  An MLS team reached the Champions League final this year. Isn’t that a good result?

    • William McCrary

      You’re totally wrong. It’s like NCAA sports. Division One is the creme de la creme and Division III is kids playing for fun. You’ll never see Northwestern or Rutgers “relegated” to D IAA, II, or III, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t at a lower level than DI. We live in North America and need to look at the world that way, not in some European way.

  • Larry’s A Simpleton

    f.cosmos should have points deducted for those pathetic attendance numbers they put up. 3,000??? laugh my fat black ass off!

    • The Realist

      NYCFC should have points deducted for having fans that are obsessed with the Cosmos..and for being a terrible team too.

    • Alan Smithee

      You do realize this was for April, right?

      But, please, continue to be butthurt that the Cosmos have limited drama on and off the field.

  • jspech

    New York is for winners!!

  • Anthony

    There is one actual football club in NY, there is one energy drink marketing gimmick, and there is one UEFA Financial Fair Play avoidance scheme/ farm team. Pretty obvious which one is on top.

    • Anonymous

      COSMOS!!!

    • Hydrahamster

      Very nicely put.

  • slowleftarm

    I’ll take finishing second in this silly poll since if it means my team enjoys one of the nicest soccer stadiums in America and a spot near the top of the MLS standings. Meanwhile, the prize for the “winners” is a 4k crowd at a college ground in LI to watch minor leaguers and MLS rejects play.

    • Guy Blades

      You and Larry’s a Simpleton are both obsessed with the Cosmos. You guys are a natural fit. I think we have a real Love Connection here.

      • slowleftarm

        You guys keep saying stuff like that because you can’t refute anything we actually say. So I’ll repeat it: 3,800 fans, college stadium, Hempstead, minor league. And all of that is totally fine but then don’t pretend you are better than MLS.

        • CosmosFan

          Strange that the Cosmos had more fans at their game a few weeks ago then the Red Bulls did, isn’t it?

          • slowleftarm

            Yeah that would be strange if it were true. But it isn’t. And this week RBNY had 25k plus while only 3,833 made the trek out to Hempstead.

            • NYCSPORTSPUNK

              How many were attending that last season at Giant Stadium for RBNJ ? 3k or was it 4k, i forget. State of the art SSS will boost attendance & the type of player the Cosmos will attract in the future. So shut the **** up already, your act is tired.

              • slowleftarm

                2009 RBNY attendance was 12k+, in other words three times more than show up for Hempstead games.

                • NYCSPORTSPUNK

                  Yeah they say 12k but the place was empty. Another idiot who takes MLS attendance numbers literally.

                  • DanGerman

                    The Cosmos are just as guilty.There were several games last year where the announce crowd was several thousand more than actual. So the RB’s aren’t alone on that.

                  • slowleftarm

                    Teams always count tickets sold, not butts in seats when calculating attendance. Unless you can show me that Cosmos do it differently, we are comparing apples to apples here.

          • JD

            Based on eye witness reports of people who don’t know what they are talking about. Real numbers were RBNY 16k Cosmos 14k. But it was cosmos opener and thus an anomoly.

          • smurf040

            Like I told a representative from the Cosmos wanting to sell me season ticket to Hoftra. You get the Cosmos a stadium where I can go with my family or friends, sit down have a couple of beers and enjoy a game in a SSS. and I’ll be the first one in line for a season ticket seat(s). I love them, and I try to go as many home games as possible (though I watch every single game via 1 World Sports) But it’s hard to get a full enjoyment of the beautiful game on that field. I truly believe, that if the Cosmos get their own stadium they would fill it every single game. so that figure of 3-5k in some matches are misleading to the product the team now has on the field. P.S. Go Cosmos!

            • slowleftarm

              You think the would go from 3,833 fans last week to 25k just because of a stadium? Wow, and people wonder why I call Hempstead fans delusional.

        • Guy Blades

          No, I am saying that because I think you & Larry’s a Simpleton are a great match & should hook up. You are both so similar & passionate in your dislike of the Cosmos. Derrick & I think that a passionate gay romp is just what you guys need. With each other, I mean. Derrick & I are in a monogomous relationship. We are not swingers. We wish you both the best.

        • I would rather sit in a high school stadium with 50 people to watch a proper club play than cheer for a soda can advertisement or Man City’s reserve club in the nicest stadium in the Nou Camp with 90,000 people. But hey, that’s just me. I don’t appreciate being someone’s corporate tool.

          • slowleftarm

            LOL, nice rationalization. How does that square with Hempstead fans going on and on about their global “brand”? Cosmos are just as much a branding exercise as RBNY. The only difference is they aren’t as good at it.

            • Yes, the Cosmos are a soccer brand. Red Bull is a soda brand. I go to soccer games to cheer for soccer teams, not cans of soda.

              I have no need to rationalize, as a founding member of the Borough Boys, we rejected NYCFC, they didn’t reject us. That should be our team, but they chose to make another joke out of the great New York City Soccer tradition. And they’ve paid a price for it in the utter joke that the third rail is.

              MLS begged us, literally begged us, to support NYCFC. We said no, and boy was that the best decision we ever made. How do YOU rationalize supporting an advertisement for a can of soda that is a subsidiary franchise of a league? That’s really the question.

              • O’Daine Duncan

                The Borough Boys? The clowns who wanted a MLS team in NYC and, instead, settled for a NASL team on Long Island. Lol. Should have made it a supporter club for the Red Bulls, based in NYC.

                • We don’t support cans of soda masquearading as a soccer team. Do I really need to humiliate you again O’Daine like I did when you came to troll on our fb page? You’re quite the glutton for punishment.

              • DanGerman

                How in the hell do you guys call yourself the borough boys when you support a team in LI? Shouldn’t the name be the Outer borough boys? Or maybe the Bridge and Tunnel crew? Something that represents you guys more accurately. The Third rail has over 1,500 member, or in a way you can better understand if the Third Rail went to a cosmos game they would be about half the crowd! So I don’t think NYCFC is going to miss the ill named borough boys.

                • Anthony

                  I’d disagree, based on what ive seen the Third Rail is a pretty poor imitation of an MLS supporters club. Its run by the FO, they hire for profit drummer and instruments like its a bar mitzvan, they barely sing at all during the game, they are typically seen as a giant fucking joke in hardcore supporter circles and had zero authenticity when they started. It looks like you have a lot of Yankee fans that signed up in the bleachers that are there to get drunk and talk **** but not sing and support, that weakness is also why you have nazi racist groups among your section.

            • Guy Blades

              You are obsessed with the Cosmos. You need a boyfriend. I hear that Larry’s A Simpleton has similar interests.

              • DanGerman

                Guy Blades: you have no response other than a mildly homophobic response to anyone who doesn’t agree with you? Do you wonder why most people “pick” on Cosmos fans and not any other team fans? Maybe something to do with the disconnect of what fans and the GM say compared to actually reality.

                • Guy Blades

                  To clarify:

                  1) I’m not even a Cosmos ticketholder! I am a season ticketholder for the Red Bulls! I do go see the Cosmos for fun, but Red Bulls are my team.

                  2) My comments aren’t mildly homo-erotic…I’m openly gay!

                  3) That said, I don’t “get” the non-stop Cosmos bashing. Larry’s a Simpleton and Slow Left Arm are obsessed! Personally, I think their anger and contempts masks deep self loathing caused by being in the closet. I know. I was once there.

    • Ned

      I always forget how big of a Cosmos fan slowleftarm is. Honestly, I think he reads and comments on Cosmos news and postings, here and elsewhere, more than anyone else.

      I mean, yes, he’s spewing stupidity and hate (and predictably so!), but when you make THAT much of an effort, it’s really got to be love, if a masochistic manifestation of it. He’s probably in the stands at Shuart every weekend.

      • slowleftarm

        Nah, like most people, I’ve got better things to do than schlep out to Hempstead to watch minor league soccer. I come on this site for the superb coverage of RBNY but I often check out the Hempstead articles and notice the delusional fanboys that post about how the global brand is too good for MLS and will take over the world. Even people in Sweden have heard of it etc. Hard to resist commenting – plus I’m just killing time at work.

        • slowleftarm

          Also I forgot to mention this isn’t a Cosmos article, it’s about all three teams, including the one I support. Thanks for your input.

          • Ned

            Yes, but you never fail to comment on articles that are solely about the Cosmos and pick fights with Cosmos fans. Otherwise, you could blissfully dream of men in white and read holding up a giant trophy and several middle fingers in November. Clearly there’s something there. That, or something terrible happened to you in your dark and mysterious past for you to have such a visceral hate toward Long Island. (Now, if you were talking about the guidos in Rockville Centre, THEN I could understand and commiserate…)

            Admit it, slowleftarm. You are a fanboy of the guys in green. Embrace it. You’ll feel better.

            • Guy Blades

              He is really is. He’s always thinking about the Cosmos. If I had a dollar for everytime he mentioned them, Derrick and I could buy a time share on Fire Island.

  • Slowletfarm, do you even know what a “brand” is? It’s a symbol that represents something. RBNY is a brand representing a soda can. The Cosmos are a brand representing a soccer team. Do yuo understand the difference now?

    • JD

      Brands can transform to represent different things. Their meanings are not set in stone. Red Bull is owned and sponcered by a soda company however, the brand also represents a global sporting empire. The brand represents this specific soccer club specifically, just as it represents the F1 racing teams specifically. No one gets the reb bull owned sports teams confused because the brands all mean different things. They have their own meaning individually. Your argument assumes a brand cannot change its meaning/representation and this thus wrong.

      • Ulrich

        What Leo is actually talking about is Brand Marketing and Brand Awareness, which would be helpful for him to indicate as his current argument is left flailing. JD sums it up succinctly. To Leo’s point, the Cosmos are actually a soccer team trying to maximize their Brand Awareness, because currently if you asked 10 people what their initial reaction is to hearing the terms Cosmos & soccer, the majority would undoubtedly talk about Pele and the team of the 70’s & 80’s, not the rebranding exercise going on now. Back in the day, EVERYBODY knew about the Cosmos and Pele, even if they weren’t soccer enthusiasts. It’s a different story in this era, and that’s because there isn’t as much Brand Awareness surrounding the team.

        • JD

          You are right about the Cosmos but the same is true about RBNY. RBNY is trying to establish its brand as a New York soccer team in the same way the Cosmos are. The only difference is that RBNY owned, sponsored by, and named after another organization. The brand RBNY is promoting is its own – the soccer team. Their success however, lead to increased awareness of their parent company therefore, promoting Red Bull – a separate brand. This fact does not take away from RBNY having their own brand in the same way that the Cosmos jersey sponsor does not take away from the Cosmo’s brand.

          • Anthony

            No they are not, i assure you the suits in Austria are very much against the brand being recognized as a soccer brand, it is to be recognized as a lifestyle brand/energy drink brand first and foremost. They are not spending billions worldwide for people to associate the two red bulls on the sun as a soccer brand.

  • OpenCupFan

    Only difference between MLS and NHL/MLB/NBA/NHL is that those are the best leagues in the WORLD in their respective sports. MLS isn’t even the best league in the continent where the only competition is one other country about 1/10 the size of the two countries that comprise MLS.

    MLS is more like WWE where all the characters are controlled by a single entity. In all honesty, this is not a shot at WWE because people actually want to see WWE.

    What’s the difference between MLS and WWE?

    Drum roll

    WWE doesn’t have to lie about its attendance numbers!

    #greentideworldwide

  • Esteban

    Honest question, does anyone have any info/links about the difference between MLS (outside of DPs), NASL, and USL in terms of salary?

    I’m just curious at how drastic the difference is, if it’s even that drastic.

    • DanGerman

      The MLS players union releases the salaries of the players every few months so you can check those on line, NASL doesn’t release those numbers although there are a few articles that mention the average salary, its supposed to be in the 20K to 30K range for most players. In MLS the lowest you can get is 60k.

      • The Realist

        The $60K is recent. As recently as 2009, MLS had players making $15,000 yearly so let’s not act like MLS is looking out for the players. That said, I think the strides the players have made are great & I think it’s great they have a 2nd option such as NASL. I don’t see why people are either Pro-MLS or pro-NASL. They both have a valuable role to play in US soccer.

        • OpenCupFan

          I would agree with you actually, but the MLS model cannot permit a competitor in the marketplace that is not subservient to it.

        • DanGerman

          That’s incorrect the lowest salary in 2009 was 36.5K. That’s from the MLSPU contract. Read it if you don’t believe me.

        • DanGerman

          Also fairly recently a NASL player was traded for travel money and hotel rooms so the NASL has its own share of issues.

        • JD

          I am pro-MLS and pro-NASL as a lower division. Honestly, I see this playing out in much the same way as the AFL and NFL or NBA and ABA. Eventually, NASL will become too big to ignore – not to say they will be bigger than MLS but they will have a significant market share. At that point there will be a merger but by then, MLS will also have already dropped its single-entity structure.

  • OpenCupFan

    Dan German said – “Also fairly recently a NASL player was traded for travel money and hotel rooms so the NASL has its own share of issues.”
    But, there is a back story there that he is ignoring.

    Here is another story about trades, this time from the MLS – LANDON DONOVAN was traded to the LA franchise from the SanJose franchise for nothing, nada, zip, zero, zippidy doo da, zilch, not a damn thing. It would seem to a reasonable person that getting something in a trade is better than getting nothing.

    You’re not still claiming to be a Cosmos fan are you?

    #greentideworldwide

    • DanGerman

      SJ received allocation money by the league to compensate them for the loss of Donovan. They then traded that to the Metrostars for Ricardo Clark. So they basically got Clark for Donovan. Which is still better then lunch money and a few rooms in a motel 6.

      • OpenCupFan

        Here’s the facts –
        San Jose traded Donovan to LA
        LA gave NOTHING to San Jose in exchange

        San Jose gave away the player that helped win 2 titles in exchange for NOTHING

        LA got the player that helped San Jose win 2 titles in exchange for NOTHING

        this only happens in closed leagues, enjoy your noncompetitive league where outcomes can be determined by the league.

        #bushleaguemove

        • DanGerman

          http://m.mlssoccer.com/news/article/quakes-acquire-ricardo-clark-metrostars

          OPENCUPFAN: please read the link. It clearly state SJ had gotten something for Donovan, which they traded for Clark. But please don’t let facts or even reality get in the way its a free country so don’t let me convince that you’re wrong.

          • OpenCupFan

            right, thanks for the uninformative link, aka MLS press release. here’s another article discussing the “trade” in detail. (stuff I’m talking about starts in the 2nd full paragraph)
            .
            http://thesetpiece.weebly.com/why-i-dont-like-landycakes.html
            .
            Please explain to me what LA Galaxy gave up in this “trade.” Less than traveling money, clearly.
            .
            Quakes fan perspective from that period –
            http://www.espnfc.com/story/336078/fallen-idol
            .
            Fact – in this trade one team gave up arguably the best player in US history and the other team gave up nothing, therefore, the Quakes got nothing from the Galaxy for Donovan.
            .
            Maybe this is common practice, then just say so. Doesn’t bother me at all that your league plays favors between its franchise outlets, doesn’t bother me at all. Just don’t go around trying to point out to me that it doesn’t. If you like that, than good for you and good for the Quakes fans too.
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            Not my cup of tea. – and definitely worse than the NASL trade you’re referring to – which, btw, you still haven’t given context for.
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            Anyway, I thought you were a Cosmos fan? Why are you jumping to the defense of all things MLS? Make up your mind dude.
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            #greentideworldwide

            • DanGerman

              So you give me a link to an unknown blogger and then another article about SJ fans griping about losing Donovan AKA nothing that proves your point. I give you a link to a trade that SJ did with the Metrostars that states they used allocation money from the Donovan move and thats not enough? Also what is the context of trading a player for lunch money and rooms at a hotel? What possible context can make that look anything other than happy hour in a bush league? Believe it or not I AM a Cosmos fan and that’s what you don’t understand there isn’t anything stopping from supporting NYCFC AND the Cosmos. They don’t exist in the same league so why not support your local 2nd division team. It’s what every fan should do.

              • DanGerman

                Just because I don’t drink the Kool Aid that the Cosmos version of Jim Jones is telling me to drink doesn’t make me any less of a fan.

  • The Realist

    Up to 2009, the minimum developmental salary was $12,900

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/djpeisner/the-low-budget-high-pressure-life-of-an-mls-rookie

    • JD

      The fact of the matter is the present. Minimum salary has over doubled sense then. On another note, does anyone know if NASL has a players union? If not, I can’t see the NASL player salaries raising any time soon.

    • slowleftarm

      Ok and in 2009 NASL didn’t exist. How is 2009 relevant? Today the minimum is 60k. Only MLS rejects play in NASL, with the exception of a couple of 40 year old Spainiards.

  • OpenCupFan

    Why is my comment “awaiting moderation?”

  • Anthony

    This really needs to be updated for MAY, and eventually JUne..in case anyone isn’t sure how that would shape up…COSMOS would be well in front and NYCFC would be licking boot bottom’s in the alley for crack money