NASL Takes Issue with US Soccer’s Proposed Changes to First Division Standards

IMAGE, DAVE MARTINEZ, EMPIRE OF SOCCER

by JAKE NUTTING

The North American Soccer League have sent a shot across the bow of the U.S. Soccer Federation.

A story posted by the Financial Times in the UK reveals the league has sent notice to the American soccer governing body over grievances surrounding significant changes to the Division I league standards.

No one from the league office was directly quoted in the piece, but Jeffrey Kessler, a sports and antitrust attorney representing the NASL, commented on the current tension between the federation and the second division league in a leaked letter to the outlet.

The NASL’s main issue seems to be with proposed changes to the standards for Division I in the U.S after just amending the standards in early 2014. The new requirements dictate that to be Division I, a league must now have at least 16 teams (Up from 12), 75 percent of the teams in the league must have a population of 2 million (Up from 1 million) and all stadiums must have a seating capacity of 15,000.

From the piece:

“Doubling the population criteria now is an anti-competitive bait and switch, with the purpose of entrenching MLS’s monopoly position at the very time when the NASL is threatening to become a significant competitor,” Jeffrey Kessler, an antitrust and sports attorney representing NASL, wrote in a letter to Sunil Gulati, head of US Soccer, and seen by the Financial Times.

“The financial damage is significant,” Mr Kessler told the FT. “Simply put, the actions by US Soccer are hindering the league’s earnings potential with advertisers, broadcasters and other business partners, who will pay top dollar only for Division I, regardless of the quality of play or passion of the fans,” he said.

The NASL applied for first division status in January but the application has apparently been put on hold.

It’s important to note that none of the proposed changes mentioned in the piece would impact the standards for the second or third division. The NASL may be angling to be considered on the same level as MLS in Division I, but it may have competition in the short term in its own ranks. The third division USL, a league that has aligned itself with MLS for a strategic partnership, has made clear its intention to pursue second division status as early next year.

Another sticking point that has vexed the modern era NASL is the unequal representation on the USSF’s board of directors. While MLS has a healthy representation on the council, the NASL contends has none. Further, they contend that the federation may be too closely tied to MLS due to the marketing partnership between US Soccer and the MLS-owned Soccer United Marketing.

No representative from US Soccer or MLS provided the Financial Times with a comment.

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Andrew Bissonette
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Andrew Bissonette
1 year 1 month ago

What is with the NASL’s obsessive need to be the first division in the US? Its literally never going to happen. They are unbelievably far behind MLS and don’t have a shot in hell to catch up. If they decide they want to start spending like MLS does, they’ll wind up folding as a league entirely.

Jukebox Pony
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Jukebox Pony
1 year 1 month ago
There is another angle they are going. Here’s the big picture some MLS fans seem to not understand. Lower division leagues and clubs are not treated with respect within the soccer governing body and they don’t get enough respect from so-called American soccer fans. This country runs off of supporting only the first division while putting the middle finger up at the lower divisions and youth leagues. The NASL plans is to become 1st division and merge with the NPSL. That merger will open the door for other lower division clubs in other American leagues to join and fight to… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year 1 month ago
I think it’s pretty bizarre that NASL seems to believe that soccer in this country can support two separate first division leagues when that clearly hasn’t proven to be the case in any other sport. Yes, we’ve had competing leagues in basketball, football, and baseball, but in the end, they’ve all merged into a single top entity. So what exactly is NASL’s play here? Are they trying to get big enough to merge with MLS or are they seriously thinking of competing for the primary position, stretching the resources of both leagues, and possibly damaging US Soccer overall in the… Read more »
Jukebox Pony
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Jukebox Pony
1 year 1 month ago
That’s because you are comparing soccer with other sports. Not every American league should be modeled the same. Soccer is the only global sports league in this country, so all that other mess needs to be left out. How awesome would it be if mostly every state have a league to represent them? That would be awesome and it would be even more awesome for the American talent pool. What is done by the USSF is not for the greater good nor has it every helped American soccer grow. You seem to forget that this is the same USSF that… Read more »
BleedingRed
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BleedingRed
1 year 1 month ago

The NASL is critizing MLS for killing soccer in America…what a fucking riot.

BleedingRed
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BleedingRed
1 year 1 month ago

Also, I don’t know how other MLS academies operate, but here in the Tri-State area the Red Bulls Academy is free for children to join and has been ranked #1 academy in North America. So send your children here: http://www.redbullsacademy.com/academy/

Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year 29 days ago
I appreciate your idealism, but I think you’re neglecting the business realities in favor of them. We will never have a professional soccer team for each of the 50 states in the country nor should we. What dumbass would you pay to invest in that kind of infrastructure? Unless you want “Division 1” soccer to be played on rented college and high school fields, it’s not financially feasible. Also, no intelligent person is going to invest the millions required to build a stadium, sign a team, and maintain that stadium only to risk being a minor league team with no… Read more »
Mr.Sunshine
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Mr.Sunshine
1 year 29 days ago
Obviously you haven’t heard what Bill Edwards is doing with the Rowdies and his comments when he fired the coach because he didn’t believe anything about growth of the sport; instead just wanted to buy players. Yea NASL is should be on top…at least in some way Orlando City has done a better job of reaching out to the youth and implanted scouts in various high schools in order to find those missing links for growth. The MLS I believe has improved a lot and we still have a lot of work to do because there are places that need… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year 29 days ago

Crystal ball talking? Not sure you have the right to tell any team in any market they can’t move up to 1st division. This isn’t the NFL its soccer if MLS wants to do their own thing let them operate like that heroe league in India without a sanction.

Jukebox Pony
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Jukebox Pony
1 year 1 month ago

Typical USSF and MLS. Corrupt til the end.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year 1 month ago

Why do we need more than one “first division league” again?

Jukebox Pony
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Jukebox Pony
1 year 1 month ago
Because other clubs need a chance to grow instead of suffering through the MLS monopoly. If you want the player pool to grow and see those great lower divisions clubs that showed well in the USOC have a chance to move up the pyramid by great performance and quality, then that is why we need another first division. We have one league focused on MLS and another one focused on American soccer. MLS is not the answer for American soccer because they are against anything that have to do with it. MLS and the USSF don’t treat the youth leagues… Read more »
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Anonymous
1 year 1 month ago
Traditionally in American sports, we don’t have entire teams or leagues moving up and down. Good players go from lower tier leagues to higher tier leagues. I understand that other leagues have promotion/relegation of teams, but even in those situations, there’s a single top league in those countries for teams to get promoted to even if you wanted to do that. Having two “first division” leagues simply confuses the issue. The MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, etc. all have effective monopolies with a franchise system similar to MLS in this country and that has not hurt any of those sports. You… Read more »
Jukebox Pony
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Jukebox Pony
1 year 1 month ago
Basically, a cookie cutter league with nothing special. It said to see soccer fans that want the sport to be run like a baseball league and compare it to other American sports that run differently. I guess American soccer will always be the way it is. More children being turned away from playing the sport, no equal rights for clubs in every division and calling a goal a touchdown. Yep. That’s how a growing number of fans want soccer to be played. It’s more of a gimmick than an actual sport. Then again, sports being more of a gimmick is… Read more »
Jim
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Jim
1 year 29 days ago
Nobody is turning children away from playing. If I’m not mistaken its the number one participation sports in the country is it not? MLS academies are now almost all free besides DC’s and Toronto’s. Nobody wants to call a goal a touchdown. Seriously, c’mon. What, pray tell, is not cookie-cutter about European leagues where only 4 teams in England and only 2 everywhere else can ever win the title? Where the majority of teams just have to settle for “happy to be here” and the rest return to minor league status after getting stomped on for a season? MLS is… Read more »
slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 29 days ago

Agree generally but American soccer fans understand the concept of pro/rel and it doesn’t require you to be a rocket scientist to get it. NASL is a clown league but I think an MLS with 2 20 team divisions with pro/rel could be viable down the road.

Tom
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Tom
1 year 1 month ago

Maybe instead of D1,D2, and D3 pro leagues should be sanctioned and classed on two levels as “Professional Independant League” (MLS, NASL) and Reserve/Affiliate Minor League (USL).

Drop requirements to 10K+ Stadiums for Pro Independant.

BleedingRed
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BleedingRed
1 year 1 month ago

I would love to see the three leagues consolidated into two. Two strong, sustainable leagues. At twenty four teams the USL is almost twice the size of the NASL, at thirteen teams. In fact, NASL rushed to add their thirteenth team in Puerto Rico for fear that Minnesota was getting ever closer to joining MLS in the future. I don’t see how the NASL will be able to stop itself from falling to the status of third tier. If their teams want to be in the mix going forward they should just join MLS or USL. It’s for the best.

BleedingRed
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BleedingRed
1 year 1 month ago

Here’s a comprehensive and impartial breakdown: http://lastwordonsports.com/2015/06/03/usl-rising-the-usl-is-above-the-nasl/

Tom
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Tom
1 year 28 days ago
Thats rubbish and you obviously don’t have much knowledge of the NASL. USL is the league that has teams playing before a few hundred fans each game, is a farm team/affiliate minor league with just about half the average attendance of the D2 NASL, pays players less salaries than NASL. Did Jurgen Klinsmen pick any USL players like he has when Ibarra was with the NASL? He also had good comments about the NASL and none about the farm team minor league usl. NASL has a National TV broadcaster for its Wednesday games, USL is on youtube. NASL has a… Read more »
Kevin
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Kevin
1 year 29 days ago

So the standards were amended earlier this year and then out of thin air amended again? The standards are clearly aimed at NASL, the fact that there are no representatives from the NASL on the USSF board is a bit odd. I don’t see a two league top division either, but the USSF runs soccer in this country in the oddest way, from top to bottom. This is,all going to be interesting to watch, especially with MLS basically taking USL under their wing.

OpenCupFan
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OpenCupFan
1 year 29 days ago

What does population have to do w/ soccer teams’ quality?

Matt Diggs
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Matt Diggs
1 year 29 days ago

The USSF is not going to sanction two D1 leagues. NASL should be more concerned about maintaining its D2 status.

Kevin
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Kevin
1 year 29 days ago

I can’t I’m saying but I agree with Slowleft. 2 20 ream divisions in mls with pro/related seems more realistic then 2 separate division ones

US Soccer
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US Soccer
1 year 29 days ago
This very conversation came up recently in the blog about the Cosmos waiting for approval to build a stadium in Long Island. A stupid location choice by the way. The NASL is trying to get on equal footing with MLS and it’s not going to happen by staying separate. Instead they are trying to battle with a league that has been in place for 20 years and is recognized throughout the world the United States first division soccer. FIFA will not turn on MLS and intervene no matter how much NASL officials and owners stomp their feet and cry about… Read more »
DanGerman
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DanGerman
1 year 29 days ago

Now that is a well thought out post with ZERO fanboy comments. OpenCupFan, take note. This lawsuit smacks of desperation and the only one who’ll win in all this are the lawyers. The league has to show cause and I don’t know if they can. This lawyer by the way already sued USSF and MLS, lost both times. The NASL just needs to focus on improving itself and worry less about everything else.

soccerfan
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soccerfan
1 year 29 days ago
To be honest , I rather have the NASL rather than MLS …. One league has the correct way of building the sport and teams , while the other league, wants to control everything , and cares less and less about creating future players… D2 or D1 , I support the NASL ,rather then the MLS …. The NASL has been around for 3 years now , and its growing, and doing things well, in 5 years i can compare where both leagues stand and how much they have done…. But at the moment i cannot judge a new league… Read more »
Leo Glickman
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1 year 29 days ago
The NASL has an idea to be ambitious in this soccer market. Being Second Division limits the possibility of growth. There are certain investors, such as but not limited to the Cosmos, who simply reject the idea to pay tens of millions in franchise fees to then hand over ownership of your team to the league. So they are pursuing this alternative model which not incidentally follows the global soccer model. MLS has no interest in helping NASL, which they have proven time and time again. To the contrary, MLS treats NASL as a competitor and looks to undermine it… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year 29 days ago

I hope Fifa steps in

DanGerman
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DanGerman
1 year 29 days ago

FIFA won’t step in on local soccer matters. The only time FIFA gives a damn is when the local government meddles with soccer matters.

Leo Glickman
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1 year 29 days ago

Well FIFA has already “stepped in” by allowing the U.S. a pro/rel exemption. Does taking away an exemption constitute stepping in?

REAL OpenCupFans know nasl teams are bad
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REAL OpenCupFans know nasl teams are bad
1 year 29 days ago
I love the fact that nasl is arguing to keep the standards for D1 soccer in this country low. If they had real ambitions and ability and wanted to move the bar higher for soccer for all of us, they would applaud higher standards and work like hell to meet them at a higher level of achievement and business prowess. That’s what would develop soccer more in this country. Develop young talent in academies like MLS is doing – the nasl does none of that. It is telling that they cannot meet these standards, that is why they are not… Read more »
Leo Glickman
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1 year 29 days ago

MLS has already influenced the lowest standard for D1 criteria, creating an exception so that one entity owns all the teams. Why don’t you advocate for removing that criteria if you’re interested in enhancing D1 criteria?

Tom
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Tom
1 year 28 days ago
NASL clubs have beaten USL teams in the open cup but they had a bad day for a handful of matches this year on a day when the league had bad news but usl fanboys will pretend that this is the gold standard to measure the leagues which its not. It was a perfect storm day for usl and won’t happen again. NASL clubs have also beaten MLS clubs in open cup over the years and this year as well. Lower level clubs like D5 Cal FC beat a lot of higher div clubs a couple of years back in… Read more »
slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 29 days ago

No other country has two D1 leagues. Now pipe down NASL and worry about beating USL next season, which will become increasingly difficult as time goes on.

Leo Glickman
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1 year 29 days ago

It’s true, no other country has two D1 leagues. So why should a league in which one entity has majority ownership in all teams have D1 over a league with 13 different ownership groups?

slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 29 days ago

Why shouldn’t it? Why should our D1 league be a league with teams in Louisville and Ottawa rather than a league with teams in NYC, LA and other major cities? Why should it be a league which has its games streamed for free on ESPN3 instead of a league with a $90m/year TV deal through 2022?

Leo Glickman
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1 year 29 days ago

Because a $90 million per year television contract dooms our division 1 to fourth tier status globally. Giving a different league div 1 status and an opportunity to exceed a tiny little tv contract like MLS has can only be a positive thing. No other league can challenge MLS’s paltry global status if no other teams have a chance to be div 1.

You realize that MLS’s long term television contract causes MLS to fall further and further behind globally, right?

Eric B
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Eric B
1 year 29 days ago

You think a tv network will pay more for the markets of Edmonton, Raleigh/Durham, and Jacksonville than it will for Chicago, LA, Philly, etc.? $90 million per year may not be great, but it beats anything the NASL would get.

slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 29 days ago
20 years ago this league didn’t exist. The old NASL led by the Cosmos, the club whose name your club co-opted to cash in on nostalgia, was defunct. The idea we would have a 20 team (soon to be 24) league playing in mostly SSS with per game average attendance of 21k a game would have seemed like pure fantasy. The idea that a $90m a year TV contract would be disappointing would be laughable. Any unbiased observer would be pretty impressed with what MLS has achieved so far. Sure, it’s not the EPL or La Liga, not even close… Read more »
Leo Glickman
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1 year 29 days ago
You realize that NASL looks far healthier in year 4 than MLS did in year 4, right? At any rate, $90 million isn’t horrible for this year, but locking that amount in until year 2022, myself and most financial analysts believe, will make it impossible for the league to compete meaningfully globally for the next decade. And why would the idea that they are drawing 21K be “pure fantasy” when they’re average attendance the first year was 18K? Why is a 16% increase over 20 years, or an average increase of less than 1% per year, so impressive to you?… Read more »
Cirris
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Cirris
1 year 29 days ago

“You realize that NASL looks far healthier in year 4 than MLS did in year 4, right? At any rate.”

That’s like saying settlers on trains are better than the settlers in wagons that came before them before them.

The settlers in wagons laid the tracks to make it easier for those that followed.

Leo Glickman
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1 year 28 days ago

ok, so what’s your point? That we should all be eternally thankful and never challenge the MLS franchise system?

slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 28 days ago

I actually agree with you on pro/rel and certain aspects of MLS. I’ve actually been a fan of MLS since the beginning and of soccer generally way before that. You and most financial analysts think…LOL. Ok, now stop playing financial analyst and get ready for that big DUI trial you have coming up.

Leo Glickman
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1 year 28 days ago
I really don’t like to do this, Slowleftarm, but it’s time for me to pull rank. Dude, you sit in a cubicle 40 hours per week, get two weeks vacation and get a paltry check direct deposit every other week, and count down the hours by posting here to get through another boring day. How do I know, because you only post until 4:59 pm. I’m on my 5th week of my summer vacation in my house in Eastern Long Island with my family and founded one of the top civil rights law firms in the state, doing well by… Read more »
slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 28 days ago
Leo, don’t lie. You love to “pull rank” because it helps quell your crushing insecurities for you to post a puff piece on a soccer blog about your minimal and unimpressive accomplishments. I’m not going to break anonymity because I’m not advertising for clients but trust me when I say you have absolutely no basis to “pull rank” on me. LOL, NY is surely in trouble if a four person law firm representing petty criminal defendants and DUI offenders is the premier civil rights law firm in the state. Now, please get back to prepping your client for that huge… Read more »
Leo Glickman
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1 year 28 days ago

The **** ants hate it when they’ve been pissed on. Losers.

slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 28 days ago

I thought that was my last interaction with you. If not, please try to make future comments directed to me more coherent.

Tom
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Tom
1 year 25 days ago

@slowleftarm – Cosmos are averaging 5485 per game not 4K. At a poorly located stadium with poor dates available, a temporary venue till they get their own stadium built in a better location so not bad considering the locale they’re temporarily at.

MLS/USL fanboys constantly get their facts wrong because they know nothing of the NASL.

slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 24 days ago

Actually, it is bad. Terrible in fact. This is a club whose fans pretend they are the biggest name in US Soccer and too good for MLS. And a fanboy is bragging about 5485 a game (which includes the opening day sellout)? LOL.

Tom
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Tom
1 year 22 days ago

You didn’t address your lying of their true attendance numbers.

@slowleftarm – your a true fanboy and no one should take you or your made up information seriously, your comments have no legitimacy and no one should take you seriously.

slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 22 days ago

Ironically, you take me seriously enough to post detailed rebuttals to my comments.

I’ll address the “lying”: I don’t care enough to calculate the Cosmos attendance numbers so I provided a rough estimate based on recent attendance totals I’ve seen, some of which have been under 4k. Ok I’ll give it to you: I haven’t checked but I’ll assume it’s 5485. That’s pathetic and sitting here bragging about it or trying to spin it as successful is laughable.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year 29 days ago

Yes two D1 would be an outlier.
So would single entity, also the absence of pro/rel, and the ability to purchase a D1 spot

Tom
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Tom
1 year 28 days ago

India, ISL and I-League.

NASL beating USL teams will actually become easier as time goes on as players follow the money and NASL pays higher salaries than USL’s farm team affiliate minor league.

slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 24 days ago

Yes, by all means, let’s model our country’s football structure on India – that global football juggernaut.

Anthony J. Merced
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1 year 29 days ago

Designations (D1,D2) should be removed in the absence of pro/rel. Let NASL do what they will, in a different business model from MLS. If they are successful, great! If they aren’t they’ll change, merge or go under. Removing those sanctions, once again especially in the lack of pro/rel, shouldn’t stop MLS from continuing business as usual and will release other leagues from being slapped with a label before they have a chance to create a real structure for themselves.

(Just my opinion)

Leo Glickman
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1 year 29 days ago

For a change I totally agree with Merced.

US Soccer
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US Soccer
1 year 29 days ago
True I can’t think of anything that MLS has done to help the NASL. But I have to ask, why would they when at every turn it seems hey are thumbing their noses at MLS? I’m just being realistic here. MLS has been holding together soccer in this country for the past 20 years. NASL just got here! MLS has money, established teams and training academies, stadiums, and not to mention a whole lot of fans. They have the recognition and blessing of FIFA as the first division. They are recognized throughout the world as the first division. Most people… Read more »
Leo Glickman
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1 year 29 days ago

I dont disagree with ypu us soccer. Mls owes the nasl nothing. But neither does the nasl owe mls. This is big business playing itself out. The nasl minnow taking on the mls whale in the great spirit of capitalism.

Leo Glickman
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1 year 29 days ago

And we will see if nasl is “acting stupidly” wont we?

Resguard
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Resguard
1 year 29 days ago
I think that we can exist with 2 first divisions, it is about time. They need to be seen on an equal playing field for a few years, see which one develops the nations best soccer. If one ends up folding or failing to live up to a division one standard then that is what happens. MLS and NASL are two very different business models and as a fan I like having choice. Yes NASL needs time to develop but they are doing it at a stable and rapid pace. Because at the end of the day I am a… Read more »
US Soccer
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US Soccer
1 year 29 days ago

Ok I’ll play along. So we grant 2 leagues 1st division status. Now what happens? You have the NASL cup and the MLS cup winners. Then what?
Do we have another cup to determine who is best?

Leo Glickman
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1 year 29 days ago

You have the nasl champion and the mls champion. A one-off game between the nasl and mls winners would be interesting, but hardly necessary.

Smith
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Smith
1 year 29 days ago

Like Major League baseball did it from 1903 to 1993.

Two leagues that don’t play during the regular season but face off in the Fall to decide the Champion.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year 29 days ago

Until they realized that it was a stupid system.

Leo Glickman
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1 year 29 days ago

How old are you?

Smith
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Smith
1 year 29 days ago

Me? 50.

Leo Glickman
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1 year 29 days ago

No anonymous 1:33

Leo Glickman
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1 year 29 days ago

I’m 50 too. Two old farts

Smith
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Smith
1 year 29 days ago

Two wise, old veterans of NY and US soccer who have an appreciation for the Clash is how I look at it.

Leo Glickman
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1 year 29 days ago

Big ups!

slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 28 days ago

Leo’s substantive responses are generally lacking so he falls back on how old he is. Not going to attract clients that way Leo! Your Honor, my client is guilty but I’m just so damn old so we win anyway right?

Leo Glickman
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1 year 28 days ago

Anonymous trolls, sitting in cubicles or in their parents basement, accomplishing nothing, living pathetic lives. All they have is anonymous trolling. When you have accomplished one thing in your life slowleftarm, let me know. Until then, you should just read and learn.

slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 28 days ago

Leo, everyone on here is anonymous except you because we aren’t trying to drum up business.

Tom
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Tom
1 year 28 days ago

Fun Fact : NASL’s New York Cosmos made more prize money in the Lunar New Year AET Cup in 2015 (200K) than the MLS cup winner gets.

US Soccer
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US Soccer
1 year 29 days ago

I don’t see it ever happening. But I guess it would be interesting.

Freddie Football
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Freddie Football
1 year 29 days ago

What would be different tomorrow if NASL was deemed D1?

Resguard
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Resguard
1 year 29 days ago

They would be given spots for CCL

US Soccer
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US Soccer
1 year 29 days ago

Absolutely nothing I guess.

US Soccer
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US Soccer
1 year 29 days ago

It would be different if it was in a country where the most popular sport was soccer. That is not the case here, although it is growing more popular each year. NASL is trying to do too much too fast.

OpenCupFan
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OpenCupFan
1 year 29 days ago

Does NASL have a choice?

Kevin
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Kevin
1 year 29 days ago
I still don’t see the two div 1 leagues working. though I love the NASL and think their model doesn’t at all hamstring teams like the MLS, I think the NASL needs to get stronger themselves before they challenge for D-1. As for the standards and regulations of the MLS, lets remember that NYCFC hasn’t had to follow seemingly what the rest of the MLS teams had to follow to get into the league….. I’d love to hear what these two commissioners have to say about this topic. And its nice to see the comments on this forum today, seemingly… Read more »
OpenCupFan
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OpenCupFan
1 year 29 days ago

India has 2 division 1 leagues. Not that anyone should emulate it.
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Interested to see how this plays out in court. This was always going to end up in Court anyway, MLS controlling USSF into changing d1 requirements just may push up the time frame for NASL to act.
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First suing Oklahoma Energy owner, now this, it is good NASL is fighting back.
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Remember, USSF mandate is to promote soccer in the U.S., not to promote only MLS. Can’t see how USSF can defend itself in front of a disinterested judge.

OpenCupFan
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OpenCupFan
1 year 29 days ago

As Americans we learn the benefits of free market and the evils of monopoly in school as kids. We all do. It is incontrovertible.
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So I don’t understand how anyone can defend MLS’ market manipulation – you can’t trust anything that comes from a monopoly, history has shown this over and over again.

REAL OpenCupFans know nasl teams are bad
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REAL OpenCupFans know nasl teams are bad
1 year 29 days ago
so suing soccer club owners who did not want to go in their league like the nasl did to Oklahoma is really helping move soccer forward in this country, right? Come on now, the cosmos and nasl are being driven by those criminals at traffic sports trying to muscle their way into the US market, and it threatens to hurt MLS where the academies and investments into new young talent is takin gplace. How many academies does the nasl have, how many national teamers have played there or been developed there – basically none. nasl should stick to trying to… Read more »
Kevin
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Kevin
1 year 29 days ago

U just made that up didn’t u. The Oklahoma owners didn’t want to be in the NASL? Get your facts straight, the,owners promised a million different things to the NASL, then pulled the wool over their eyes,when they weren’t actually ever prepared to get the team or the stadium off the ground.

OpenCupFan
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OpenCupFan
1 year 28 days ago

Kevin, bro, don’t let these mls bots bother you. They’re not interested in honest conversations, just in misinformation.
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Free market > monopoly
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— monopolies are only good for owners, remember your American history

slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 28 days ago

In other words, you have to fight the monopoly because it rejected your club.

OpenCupFan
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OpenCupFan
1 year 28 days ago

In America we know free market > monopoly

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[…] The battle between the established, 20-year stability of Major League Soccer and the free-spending upstarts in the North American Soccer League is being fought on many fronts, with news this week that the NASL may take legal action over changes to Division I standards. […]

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1 year 29 days ago

[…] The battle between the established, 20-year stability of Major League Soccer and the free-spending upstarts in the North American Soccer League is being fought on many fronts, with news this week that the NASL may take legal action over changes to Division I standards. […]

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[…] The battle between the established, 20-year stability of Major League Soccer and the free-spending upstarts in the North American Soccer League is being fought on many fronts, with news this week that the NASL may take legal action over changes to Division I standards. […]

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[…] The battle between the established, 20-year stability of Major League Soccer and the free-spending upstarts in the North American Soccer League is being fought on many fronts, with news this week that the NASL may take legal action over changes to Division I standards. […]

jonny99
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jonny99
1 year 28 days ago

Simply let the market determine the winners and losers,without outside interference.Capitalism and the american way at its best….oops, I forgot, this isnt america anymore.Ok—-oveeregulate and destroy,the new american way.

Leo Glickman
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1 year 28 days ago

Excellent piece.

OpenCupFan
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OpenCupFan
1 year 28 days ago

Leo, not sure if you’re still reading this comments section but a quick q based on your legal expertise, if you don’t mind.
– does NASL have any choice but to sue USSF? (Of course, not including folding up its tent or joining the usl reserve league)

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REAL OpenCupFans know nasl teams are bad
1 year 28 days ago
yeah, working the free market and actually getting decent players on par with MLS level (not their retired rejects), producing young homegrown players like MLS clubs are, and actually getting more than 3000 fans to a game in long island. Let the free market decide you say – well it has decided for Red Bull and NYCFC in the NY market by over 20K more a game – what else do you need to hear before you know the cosmos and nasl are losing the game… and on the field they lost 7 straight times to the “usl reserve league”.
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US Soccer
1 year 27 days ago
I can see some of the standards proposed are to ensure that these teams will succeed. As with the population requirements, you’re team is less likely to make it if its based in a market that doesn’t have the population to fill a stadium or buy your product. As far as the stadium requirements, if you plan to play MLS teams, you will need stadiums that are large enough for the MLS fans to come watch their teams play the NASL teams. If you want open completion and equality then I expect they will play MLS teams and those teams… Read more »
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Soccer in Cinci
1 year 27 days ago

Everyone wants to be at the top, but can the NASL really have an argument when in the Open Cup majority of them were knocked out by USL 3rd division teams? Yes one or two MLS teams did lose, but look at the roster that was used and it is clear to see majority of the players were 3rd stringers. We might as well grab amateur teams and make them 1st division based on this logic (at least they may actually be able to compete)

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Tom
1 year 25 days ago

Not that the usoc games mean much as a barometer, 1 off matches, but no, the MLS clubs don’t always use 2nd teams. Cosmos beat the Red Bulls last year without their top 3 players and the Red Bulls played the same lineup as they did the week previous vs an MLS franchise. Like the Cosmos they were missing 3 starting players. Cosmos beat MLS’s NYCFC this year and the MLS franchise was playing a strong roster not a 2nd team roster.

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slowleftarm
1 year 24 days ago

Wow I cannot believe we are talking about that 2014 US Open cup win by Cosmos against a second string RBNY team. 1. That was not the exact same lineup that played in MLS the previous week. 2. For the game against Cosmos, RBNY were missing Henry, Cahill, Dax, Miller, Robles and Olave. That’s clearly a second choice team – missing 6 of their 8 best players that year (BWP and Sam played). We saw what happened this year when an MLS team takes a game against Cosmos seriously – Cosmos get spanked.

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1 year 23 days ago

Nice try but not true, as said, NYRB played the same lineup they did the week before in their MLS match vs the Cosmos and both were missing key players in the usoc match.

As for this year vs Red Bulls, they lost that one and props to NYRB. We know you’ll never give the same accolades to the Cosmos for beating MLS’s NYRB or NYCFC except in a sarcastic way like a true fanboy.

You didn’t mention NYCFC who the NASL’s Cosmos beat this year- going to pretend they didn’t play a strong lineup as well vs the Cosmos?

slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 22 days ago

So it’s not true that that RBNY team was missing Henry, Cahill, Dax, Robles, Olave and Miller? Check again. The fact they may have played a similar lineup the week before doesn’t make it a first choice team. Cahill and Miller were at the world cup and Olave and Henry didn’t play on turf and the previous game was in NE. Obviously, a first-choice RBNY team would’ve destroyed Cosmos just like they did last year.

The Realist
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The Realist
1 year 22 days ago

Still, you can’t fault the Cosmos for who the Red Bulls put on the field. That’s the only team they can beat; the one on the field. It’s not their fault the Red Bulls sat players or whatever.

slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 22 days ago

It’s not the Cosmos fault but still bragging about a win from a year and a half ago against a second-string RBNY side is pretty bush league. The fact is your team got spanked by RBNY this year and plays minor league games with a roster full of MLS rejects in a college lacrosse stadium.

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OpenCupFan
1 year 22 days ago

Making excuses about losing to a lower division team is bush league.
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Giving the Impact a month off to prepare for a LigaMX team is bush league.
– Making excuses after losing that game is bush league.
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Stealing money from little kids academies is bush league.
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Bundling your games with the USMNT games for a TV deal because you can’t get a TV deal on your own is bush league.
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#bushleaguemls

slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 22 days ago

I think they moved one Montreal game for CCL. How did Cosmos do in the CCL? Surely they qualified after winning the US Open Cup right? Oh wait, I forgot they went out both years of their existence to the first MLS team that took the competition seriously.

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REAL OpenCupFans know nasl teams are bad
1 year 23 days ago

the cosmos won in a shootout, technically a tie, and Villa was not playing for NYCFC among others, that probably would have tipped the scales. But credit is given for advancing, when they win 7 straight against MLS competition they should be given credit for it.

Just like USL teams should be given credit for being better than nasl teams since they beat them in 7 straight.

The realist
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The realist
1 year 22 days ago

The only then-current NYCFC starter not playing that night waas Villa. Lampard and Pirlo were not yet with the team; though you could argue, if anything, that they have been nothing but a detriment to the team.

OpenCupFan
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OpenCupFan
1 year 22 days ago

Don’t try to be rational with these guys, everything is black/white – Cosmos bad – that’s how you can tell they’re just mls bots with faulty programming.

OpenCupFan
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OpenCupFan
1 year 22 days ago

Only an mls bot would try to argue Cosmos didn’t beat ManCityJV.
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#greentideworldwide
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Support your local independent soccer clubs!

slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 22 days ago

They didn’t beat them, the game was a draw.

The insider
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The insider
1 year 22 days ago

Yes, just like Brazil did not beat Italy for the World Cup in ’94.

Come on, they advanced. Same thing. I work for the Don. Believe me, he took it as a loss.

NYCFC Is so dysfunctional. It’s a source of amusement to everyone except the Don. He’s pulling out his remaining 12 hairs over it.

slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 22 days ago

That’s fine, but in the record books it’s a draw, just like the 1994 world cup final.

Tom
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Tom
1 year 22 days ago

And in the record books there was a winner and a loser and the NEW YORK COSMOS was the winner and MLS’s NYCFC the loser.

Tom
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Tom
1 year 22 days ago

O brother, true fanboyism and spin, you should work for Putin.

Here’s the explanation from FIFA’s Rules of the game :

In a penalty shoot-out, each team takes turns attempting a specified number of shots from the penalty mark that are only defended by the opposing team’s goalkeeper, with the team scoring the most goals being declared the winner.

Did you see where it says there’s a “winner”?

There was a winner and a loser and the winner wasn’t MLS’s NYCFC.
It was the NASL’s NEW YORK COSMOS!

You have no credibility @slowleftarm.

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1 year 22 days ago

how about the fact that nasl teams lost 7 straight games to USL teams this year (those are MLS reserve team level). The WINNER of those games were USL teams and the LOSERS were all the nasl teams – the nasl has no credibility, and worse they are run by indicted criminals from traffic sports.

Tom
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Tom
1 year 22 days ago
One days few matches in usoc where usl won is not a valid barometer of quality of play – higher level leagues lose to lower level teams in usoc sometimes. This was just a perfect storm situation for usl and won’t happen again. 3 of those matches could easily have been lost by usl clubs, a last minute fluke goal in Pittsburg, a terrible run of bad luck for the minnesota game where they didn’t play their best players, and the strikers blowing a lead. NASL had won more games before this year in usoc vs D3 usl. They will… Read more »
slowleftarm
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slowleftarm
1 year 17 days ago

All those wins you mention were against second string MLS sides. We saw NASL’s flagship team go out to the first MLS team to take them seriously the past two years. It’ll be more of the same in future, assuming that team continues to exist and the owner doesn’t just throw his hands up at 4-5k “crowds” at the lacrosse field.

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1 year 17 days ago

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1 year 17 days ago

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REAL OpenCupFans know nasl teams are bad
1 year 17 days ago

yes, of course one off cup games can be lost by higher level teams, but 7 straight losses to a supposedly lower league, come on?

What would people say if MLS lost 7 straight games to nasl teams in the open cup? well that is how bad the nasl teams are, they lost 7 straight to the better USL.

Criminally indicted traffic sports still owns their nasl franchise and shares in the league, nothing has changed yet.

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1 year 9 days ago

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